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Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by freedomben »

XorNot wrote: post #100
patrickhogan1 wrote: post #76

Good idea. Smart that they can withstand 72-hour power issues. 3 days still seems short, but much better than current. I'm with the mormons on this issue, who emphasize preparedness for emergencies. Typically storing up to a year of non-perishable food.

3 days to allow emergency response to arrive is a lot of buffer, when otherwise after 2 days you have to start moving to find water and plan to find food. Combined with things in people's houses that likely gets you to about a week before anyone is going without.

Mormons also (are encouraged to) store water and other basic necessities like toilet paper. It's not unusual to see a couple 55-gallon drums of water in a basement or garage of a Mormon house. They've also heavily adopted the filtering straws/pumps for areas where there are natural sources of water

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by freedomben »

toast0 wrote: post #47
throwaway31131 wrote: post #38

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I get it. But on the other hand, if you in a situation that requires a six month food supply, because there is no resupply available and you can’t relocate, you have bigger problems. Like the mob of hungry people outside your house.

If you have a six month food supply, and survivable disasters really only need a week or two tops, you will have no reservations helping out your neighbors, which helps you be a positive influence on your community in time of need. If you've only got two days supply, you may not be so generous.

Exactly. There are surely some people that will be stingy (as Mormons are humans after all) but there's a huge emphasis on being able to help out the neighbors and the unprepared in a bad situation. Depending on the area too, they even have rough distribution/response plans in place so they aren't starting from scratch during an emergency. You'll occassionaly see comments like "I'm stocked up so my family is fine while all the city people are eating each other" but (anecdatally having lived in heavily Mormom areas most of my life) the vast majority do not feel that way. Even some of the people who I've heard said that, I'd bet a huge amount they would not sit by and watch another human starve

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by freedomben »

ars wrote: post #115
downrightmike wrote: post #9

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After covid, we keep a stock of extra dry goods on hand. If you need that much milk, it can just be frozen when found on sale. As long as it completely defrosts, you don't get any ice

You can also get shelf stable, canned, or powdered milk. That way you have it even with a power outage.

A Camp Chef or Turkey fryer is also a great investment for this purpose as they are very useful on their own, and double as a gas-powered source for cooking in an emergency. They can also boil large pots of water quickly should you need

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

mschuster91 wrote: post #119
ambicapter wrote: post #35

Wait, so we're now approaching risk levels high enough that's its economically feasible for businesses to prepare for situations where their stores lose power, telecom, and resupply? Are we already preparing for land war across western Europe?

We are not preparing for war in Europe. Europe is at war with Russia, with all the murders and sabotage acts of the last years.

Very true, but there’s still a huge difference between acts of sabotage and missiles hitting cities. We might be at war, but so far it’s a comfortable one.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by freedomben »

elzbardico wrote: post #84

Item #388293 of things that would never happen in America. During the Cold War, even the Soviet Union had better missile defense and civil defense infrastructure than the US.

On a nationwide scale, yeah probably not, but nor do I think it should be done at the federal level. You could get economies of scale on purchasing and storage, but I suspect there would be more inefficiencies emergent from such a large scale thing than would be worth it. Each geographic area has very different needs, very different population makeups, and more, so somebody local is much better equipped to evaluate and plan. Even just "how much water to store" varies immensely. If you're on a water shed in an area with frequent rainfall, it would be wasteful to store a ton of water, but if you're in a desert water storage is one of the most important things. But even just communication setups like ham radio and designated response personnel is something that needs to be worked out locally.

I've been involved in several different cities emergency preparedness plans though, and there is actually a lot more happening in the US than most people think or know. It rarely if ever makes the news, but it happens.

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Post by impossiblefork »

chvid wrote: post #316
impossiblefork wrote: post #250

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In which kind of environment is this? Because I too am a Swede and in mine I don't think the normal attitude is one where we have any limit to our commitment to Danish territorial integrity.

Your government is probably just as shit scared of the US as our is.

They do as they do.

We do as we have said we will. There's no reason to be afraid. We get what we get and if they come we'll fight.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by mschuster91 »

ileonichwiesz wrote: post #344
mschuster91 wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not preparing for war in Europe. Europe is at war with Russia, with all the murders and sabotage acts of the last years.

Very true, but there’s still a huge difference between acts of sabotage and missiles hitting cities. We might be at war, but so far it’s a comfortable one.

Well, just a day or two ago Russia sent drones into Poland, most likely intentionally.

Not to mention we get to deal with all the refugees from that godforsaken war.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by xp84 »

guappa wrote: post #224
xp84 wrote: post #126

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Yeah, in my humble opinion anyone in Europe that considers wider war breaking out to be farfetched is not paying enough attention. You can be forgiven however if you're a millennial (as I am) or younger, because the long peace has been so long that it seems crazy that Russia might start dropping bombs, say, on Copenhagen or London. "They wouldn't dare attack NATO" we would have said 10 years ago. But today, NATO is a…

That is basically NATO propaganda to convince people it's ok to stop paying for healthcare because we need to buy weapons, so that guys like Crosetto can become even richer. Is it true? No. Also air force is not so useful and we are spending insane amounts into that.

Military spending is healthcare -- think of it as preventative medicine so that you don't get sudden massive lead poisoning when Putin decides it would be nice to have more territory.

I'm being cute above with the phrasing, but your attitude of "why spend on military, it's wasted money" is obsolete thinking. It's based on a world where the US was spending enough to intimidate Russia or anyone else from stepping out of line, and where the US could be relied upon to keep their commitments.

It was logical for Germany, for instance, to spend only 1.2% for the past 25 years because the NATO obligations guaranteed the US's support and the US's leaders understood the qualitative ROI of having all of Europe firmly in its own sphere of influence.

Now, regardless of how we feel about it, it's foolish to depend on the US anymore. NATO still has some value -- the US may defend parts of Europe, and under this presidency it probably depends on stupid stuff like how impressed Trump is by your head of state's handshake, how hot their wife is, whether they compliments Trump, etc. But you can't stake your safety on that silliness.

Re: Danish supermarket chain is setting up "Emergency Stores"

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Post by xp84 »

4ggr0 wrote: post #328
xp84 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, in my humble opinion anyone in Europe that considers wider war breaking out to be farfetched is not paying enough attention. You can be forgiven however if you're a millennial (as I am) or younger, because the long peace has been so long that it seems crazy that Russia might start dropping bombs, say, on Copenhagen or London. "They wouldn't dare attack NATO" we would have said 10 years ago. But today, NATO is a…

> But my perception is that the very notion of war would shock the s*t out of the 20-somethings that Western Europe would need to conscript in order to fight an all-out war as a 20-something western european i don't see why i should die because some politicians behave like absolute fucking pieces of shits. if war breaks out in my country or they start conscripting people like me i'll just flee the country together wi…

This is called cowardice and nihilism. If we all run to "safety" when evil comes, evil will happily take over everything.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

xp84 wrote: post #349
4ggr0 wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But my perception is that the very notion of war would shock the s*t out of the 20-somethings that Western Europe would need to conscript in order to fight an all-out war as a 20-something western european i don't see why i should die because some politicians behave like absolute fucking pieces of shits. if war breaks out in my country or they start conscripting people like me i'll just flee the country together wi…

This is called cowardice and nihilism. If we all run to "safety" when evil comes, evil will happily take over everything.

i'll gladly live as a nihilist coward in safety. will leave the optimistic and heroic option of getting blown up by a drone on a muddy field, slowly choking on your own blood and leaving behind your closest ones to people who aren't such cowards like myself.

thanks for your service.

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