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Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by ejstronge »

protonbob wrote: post #195
ejstronge wrote: post #170

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> Yeah my wife is also pregnant and sometimes it is really tough on her but she doesn't use any medication other than baby aspirin for blood pressure. The alternative is exercise, anti-inflammatory foods, and also realizing that it isn't just your body anymore and you can't hurt somebody else's chances for a very small amount of pain relief. It very much is still your wife's body - what other sentient entity is avail…

This is doctor prescribed. It is an extremely low dose. https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-op...

You may not know this, but pre-eclampsia is not a synonym for hypertension. Instead, hypertension is a manifestation of preeclampsia.

The baby aspirin is not for hypertension (it does nothing for hypertension). Its goal is to prevent changes in placental vasculature that may lead to severe pre-eclampsia in those already at risk for pre-eclampsia. One clinical sign that demonstrates risk for pre-eclampsia is high blood pressure.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by rich_sasha »

tialaramex wrote: post #312
kelnos wrote: post #303

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I'm by no means an expert in assessing OTC drug safety, but your efficacy window feels... fine... to me? I feel like it shouldn't be hard to avoid taking 3-4 times the effective dose of something? But I guess people still do it, and mess up their liver anyway. I'm always very torn on how to best protect people from being stupid. The label on the bottle says not to use the drug for longer than a certain period. Sure,…

You don't need a doctor. In the UK today there are pathways for Advanced versions of several non-doctor careers which get you either limited, or in some cases full blown unlimited prescribing rights. I think ordinary Advanced Midwife is just a set of common pregnancy drugs, stuff so you can keep down food, sleep properly and so on despite some of the nastier but still non-critical pregnancy side effects, but Advanced…

Not to mention veterinary pathways. My ex GF was volunteering at a vet practice, where they kept no track of their meds, other than "hey boss, we seek to be low on Ketamine, swing past the animal pill shop and get a load of it pls".

Also there are travel pharmacies, which will sell you prescription drugs, so long as you insist you're about to go travelling somewhere remote.

The whole pretence that dangerous drugs are controlled and kept away from people is a pretty thin veneer.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by d0gsg0w00f »

syntaxing wrote: post #113
protonbob wrote: post #85

There really are risks. It's just not worth it during pregnancy. The pain killing effects of tylenol aren't worth the potential risks during pregnancy. https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2025/mount-sinai-s...

What’s the alternative? Pregnant people are people too. They can’t take Ibuprofen, or opioids, or even Tylenol now.

Honestly, it's probably just good practice for being a parent. The first thing you learn is that pain is your new normal. You just get used to it.

It's kind of freeing, in a way. Lets you see your own pain from the outside like it's happening to someone else. Takes the power away.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by dennis_jeeves2 »

kelnos wrote: post #331
dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #136

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>Even if RFK Jr. provides ironclad scientific proof of this link they'll just deny it. As far as I know he is really well read/informed - most people are not in that league and such people are completely dismissive of anything that is counter-narrative.

As far as I know he's a crackpot who makes up random shit that has no basis in science. Sometimes that random shit is correct, because as we all know, a broken clock is correct twice a day. Suggesting he's well-read and well-informed is laughable.

>As far as I know he's a crackpot who makes up random shit that has no basis in science.

Well for me then you are in the category of most people. Ill read/informed and will parrot what mainstream 'science' has to say. Anything that one says that is against the common narrative in medicine is struck down by the 's' word. You can laugh at me.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

duskwuff wrote: post #181
kosma wrote: post #164

There is research correlating autism and mothers taking certain medications (painkillers, antidepressants). Since autism is hereditary, there is a significant chance that these mothers are autistic too. Autistic people have a vastly high risk of depression, and often have unusual pain thresholds, requiring more painkillers. I would not be surprised of the correlation was real, but the direction of action was reversed…

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You can have a genetic tendency to a certain outcome which is exacerbated by environmental factors. This is very common.

Re: Kenvue stock drops on report RFK Jr will link autism to Tylenol during pregnancy

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Post by manoDev »

docstryder wrote: post #75

It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

There is a “better” painkiller than both Tylenol and Ibuprofen (Metamizol), but it has been forbidden on the US based on a study attributing strong side-effects to it, despite it being freely available over the counter on multiple countries for decades without issue.

If this study is true, it should be easy to compare prevalence of autism on these countries that don’t rely on Tylenol.

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docstryder wrote: post #75

It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

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Post by ewoodrich »

dfee wrote: post #317
spchampion2 wrote: post #4

Judging from the comments I've seen, nobody believes this because RFK has completely shot his credibility, and I don't blame them either. But it turns out there may actually be some emerging evidence to support this. This recent Harvard meta-analysis [1] from just last month looked at 46 different studies and suggested that there may actually be something happening here although it's not conclusive. Correlation but n…

> Judging from the comments I've seen, nobody believes this because RFK has completely shot his credibility, and I don't blame them either. All you’re stating is that you’ve found an echo chamber - which is true of Hacker News (and Reddit, and BlueSky). It’s also true of TruthSocial. I guess my annoyance is that this is Hacker news not DNC news - and as such, I’d hope for more than one (or even two!) perspectives. I…

FYI, "DNC" or "RNC" doesn't refer to the party in general, it's the national party committee (also overloaded to refer to the convention). RFK Jr has certainly never been a member of the DNC.

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Post by skybrian »

jamedjo wrote: post #340
hbcondo714 wrote: post #334

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Thanks but this is only one study and they even conclude that some non-genetic factors may also contribute to causing autism There are many causes of autism. Research suggests that autism spectrum disorder (ASD) develops from a combination of: Genetic influences and Environmental influences, including social determinants Source: https://www.autismspeaks.org/what-causes-autism

My link isn't a study it's a layman's terms explanation, but there are lots of studies. Your link mentions a meta analysis of 7 studies concluding that up to 90% is genetic. Yes environmental factors are there too, otherwise it would be 100%, but there's enough evidence pointing to genetics that it is really disappointing when people try to find spurious links to false causes instead.

Possibly of interest:

What heritability actually means https://dynomight.substack.com/p/heritable

> I couldn’t help but notice that there’s near-universal confusion about what “heritable” means. Partly, that’s because it’s a subtle concept. But it also seems relevant that almost all explanations of heritability are very, very confusing.

For example, they say speaking Turkish isn’t heritable but speaking English is. Weird!

> Heritability can be high even when genes have no direct causal effect. It can be low even when there is a strong direct effect. It changes when the environment changes. It even changes based on how you group people together. It can be larger than 100% or even undefined.

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manoDev wrote: post #346
docstryder wrote: post #75

It is the safest painkiller currently available. Ibuprofen can cause gut bleeding and renal issues if overdosed on. We all know about opiates. Some facts - typical adult dose is 1g. Max suggested cap on the drug label is 3g per day (about 6 pills at usual 500mg dose). You need to take 10g (20 pills) to be at real risk of hepatotoxicity. So 10 times the typical dose is when you have overdose effects. (basically 20 pil…

There is a “better” painkiller than both Tylenol and Ibuprofen (Metamizol), but it has been forbidden on the US based on a study attributing strong side-effects to it, despite it being freely available over the counter on multiple countries for decades without issue. If this study is true, it should be easy to compare prevalence of autism on these countries that don’t rely on Tylenol.

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