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Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by nonethewiser »

pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop.

What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI.

Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into their products. Nothing about this seems ironic or in any way surprising.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by socksy »

Towaway69 wrote: post #251
stpedgwdgfhgdd wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last week I asked Claude to improve a piece of code that downloads all AWS RDS certificates to just the ones needed for that AWS region. It figured out several ways to determine the correct region, made a nice tradeoff and suggested the most reliable way. It rewrote the logic to download the right set, did some research to figure out the right endpoint in between. It only made one mistake, it fallback mechanism was p…

This is just a thought experiment. I don't mean to be treading on feet but I'm noticing this more and more in the debates around AI. Imagine if there are developers out there that could have done this task in 30 mins without AI. The level of performanace of AI solutions is heavily related to the experience level of the developer and of the problem space being tackled - as this thread points out. Unfortunately the mar…

> The level of performanace of AI solutions is heavily related to the experience level of the developer and of the problem space being tackled - as this thread points out. > > Unfortunately the marketing around AI ignores this and makes every developer not using AI for coding seem like a dinosauer, even though they might well be faster in solving their particular problems.

You're not necessarily wrong, but I think it's worth noting that very few developers are only ever coding deep in their one domain that they're good at. There's just too many things to be deeply good at everything. For example, it's common that infra and CI tasks are stuff that most developers haven't learned by heart, because you don't tend to touch them very often.

Claude shines here — I've made a lot more useful GitHub Actions jobs recently, because while I could automate something, if I know I'm going to have to look up API docs (especially multiple APIs I'm not super familiar with) then I tend to figure that the automation will lose out the trade-off between doing the task (see https://xkcd.com/1205/). Claude being able to hash out those rapidly, and in a way that's easily verifiable that it's doing the right thing, has changed that arithmetic for me substantially.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by wahnfrieden »

ghurtado wrote: post #182
alwillis wrote: post #135

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I just installed it—definitely not a toy. Compared to stock Claude Code, this version of Claude knows a lot more about SwiftUI and related technologies. The following is output from Claude in Xcode on an empty project. Claude Code gives a generic response when it looked at the same project: What I Can Help You With • SwiftUI Development: Layout, state management, animations, etc. • iOS/macOS App Architecture: MVVM, d…

I'm as crazy about AI as the next dev, but that has to be the weakest example of AI capability that I have ever seen.

People are just excited to see Apple finally integrate something useful. But it’s not 1/100th as useful as agentic tools (CC, Codex) which have access to the exact same markdown files as the Apple one. There’s nothing else special about Apple’s offering, and it has no agentic capability. It is a waste of time to use it.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by __alexs »

nonethewiser wrote: post #341
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI. Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into…

The irony is that most people don't know how to use the word ironic. Personally I blame Alanis Morissette.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by SmartestUnknown »

vbezhenar wrote: post #301
jfoster wrote: post #240

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Also OpenAI pioneered but now the many competitors seem to have either caught up or surpassed them. They might still retain a significant brand recognition advantage as long as they don't fall too far behind, though.

Which competitor has alternative to ChatGPT Pro? I have Claude subscription and Opus 4.1 is not on the same level. ChatGPT Pro thinks for 5-10 minutes, while Opus either doesn't think at all or thinks very briefly. And response quality is absolutely different. ChatGPT Pro solves problems, Opus does not. Is there any competitor with "Pro" product which spends significant amount of computing for a single query?

Deepthink with Gemini AI Ultra plan. Daily limit of 10 might be restrictive for you though.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by ergocoder »

nonethewiser wrote: post #341
pjmlp wrote: post #173

The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. Slowly the AI craziness at Microsoft is taking the similar shape, of going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition, that they also had with Web (IE), mobile (Windows CE/Pocket PC/WP 7/WP 8/UWP), the BUILD sessions t…

>The irony of this, is that Microsoft was trying to push CoPilot everywhere, however eventually Apple, Google and JetBrains have their own AI integrations, taking CoPilot out of the loop. What is the irony? Microsoft integrated copilot in Vscode, bing, etc. Apple is integrating claude in Xcode, Jetbrains has their own AI. Microsoft moved first with putting AI into their products then other companies put other AI into…

Yeah, there's no irony.

Apple and Google will never choose to integrate Microsoft's services or products willingly.

It would have been more surprising if they decided to depend on Microsoft.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by wahnfrieden »

brailsafe wrote: post #184
manmal wrote: post #150

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If a bunch of markdown files forced into the context is “knowing”, then yes. They are usually located at /Applications/Xcode-beta.app/Contents/PlugIns/IDEIntelligenceChat.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AdditionalDocumentation You are free to point Claude Code to that folder, or make a slash command that loads their contents. Or, start CC with -p where the prompt is the content of all those files. Claude Code integrat…

> Claude Code integration in Xcode would be very cool indeed, but I might still stick with VSCode for pure coding. I'm sticking with VSCode too, but it's a bit silly to suggest that anyone is using XCode because it's their preferred IDE. It's just the one that's necessary for any non-trivial Apple platform development. Adding a code generator isn't a marketing ploy to get people to switch editors, it's just a small c…

I actually continue to use Xcode (in vim mode now that they have that) purely because of the way tabs work… in Vim and Xcode I’m able to have the same file open across multiple tabs and window-tabs, allowing me to arrange sets of files for particular tasks. But in VS Code it sends me to another window when I want to view a file next to another one, just because it’s already open elsewhere. I can’t stand this behavior as it slows me down and breaks my ability to see the files I want to see next to each other without many extra steps to rearrange things over and over. A ticket requesting this behavior change has been open for years with no progress.

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by yangikan »

mm263 wrote: post #147
not_your_vase wrote: post #139

3 days ago I saw another Claude praising submission on HN, and finally I signed up for it, to compare it with copilot. I asked 2 things. 1. Create a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton, for Pi Pico with st7789 spi display drivers configured. It generated garbage devicetree which didn't even compile. When I pointed it out, it apologized and generated another one that didn't compile. It configured also non-existent dri…

Try this prompt: Create a detailed step by step plan to implement a boilerplate Zephyr project skeleton for Pi Pico with configured st7789 SPI display drivers Ask Opus or Gemini 2.5 Pro to write a plan. Then ask the other to critique it and fix mistakes. Then ask Sonnet to implement

Is there a way to do this kind of design->critique->implement without switching tools? Like an end-to-end solution that consults multiple LLMs?

Re: Claude Sonnet will ship in Xcode

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Post by no_wizard »

theshrike79 wrote: post #253
raincole wrote: post #231

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Microsoft owns 49% of OpenAI so why they should worry? JetBrains just proudly announce that they now use GPT-5 by default. > going all in at the begining and then losing to the competition Sure, but there are counter examples too. Microsoft went late to the party of cloud computing. Today Azure is their main money printing machine. At some point Visual Studio seemed to be a legacy app only used for Windows-specific a…

Anecdotally: Azure is the Teams of cloud services - nobody uses it voluntarily or because it's technically the best solution. They use it because the corporation mandates it.

Azure isn’t great but AWS continues to be worse by a mile. I don’t know why anyone puts up with their terrible SDKs and poor documentation.

IMO Firebase should be the gold standard of how to do cloud platforms

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