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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I was just badgering Gemini to find me a modern laptop with keys like the PowerBook g4. It looks like everything went chiclet style keys around 2012. Still on the lookout for anything that’s not chiclet based, but they literally don’t exist.

How about the mechanical keys on the alienware m15 / m17? https://dell.alienwarearena.com/alienware-debuts-the-worlds-...

I really wish it was just low profile...

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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Hardware-wise, no, I've had plenty of PC trackpads that are better than Apple trackpads. But MacOS tends to have better built-in support for advanced gestures, which seem to be impossible on Windows and must be manually configured on Linux (but gives you enormous power once you do).

Apple's palm rejection is also top tier, though other systems have been getting better. My current Dell seems fine so far, but at my last company the Dell I had was almost unusable due to my cursor just teleporting around my document randomly if my hands got too close to the trackpad (which is where they have to be to type). Not sure if it's a hardware (Dell) or software (Ubuntu) improvement, but thank god.

Even Apple's palm rejection is not good enough for me. I really hated the huge touchpad when I was using a Mac.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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The Touchpad Module is easy to replace, and the CAD and interface specs we've published on https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Framework-Laptop-16 are likely detailed enough that anyone can try making one!

Aside: what if frame.work site had a place for popular vote for features? (With proper registration, etc.) E.g. Digital Ocean has this, and it seems helpful, they follow up on some of the most upvoted feature requests. It's sort of free market research.

Kickstarter style upfront payment may be more useful. You want touchpad with buttons; it would cost 300k to develop if enough people paid, the company would build it. If it is a niche, let open ecosystem take care of it.

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You've got a 16 inch Laptop, why are the arrow keys so tiny! And where's the PgUp PgDn Home End Insert Delete cluster? I wish a design-based shop like Framework would have some leadership in the keyboard area. This is why I have been exclusively Thinkpads for my last 3 laptops. Something more niche is that I also enjoy the mouse buttons above the trackpad, I can move with the thumb and click with a finger.

I was just badgering Gemini to find me a modern laptop with keys like the PowerBook g4. It looks like everything went chiclet style keys around 2012. Still on the lookout for anything that’s not chiclet based, but they literally don’t exist.

Still my favorite laptop of all time. Wish I could buy a new one with modern internals.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always…

I tried to configure it as my Thinkpad P15 from 2021, and it takes about 1000 euros more, no way I am paying over 3 000 euros for a laptop.

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Is this because the driver itself has changed in its operation or just from the name change breaking lots of code that referenced the "radeon" name?

They were referencing a time, in the middle of the 2010's, when "amdgpu" was released. It is a completely rewritten, different driver, and is mostly open source [0]. Before that, the driver was named "radeon" and it was very shaky. I can speak to this personally. I had desktop Linux systems with both AMD/ATI and Nvidia GPUs, and while there were some issues with Nvidia, the AMD/ATI drivers gave me nightmares. Once th…

And with that release, my ASUS 1215B was downgraded from OpenGL 4.1 into OpenGL 3.3, it took several years for the open source driver to catch up in features to the old closed source driver, and when it finally did, my netbook was at the end of its life.

Ah and hardware video decoding never ever worked again.

So much for the so called advantages of an open source driver.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always…

> If your motivation is "the environment" you can always just donate your old laptop

If you care about environment make regulator force companies to make repairable and upgradeable hardware. That could actually have an impact.

Putting burden on consumer choices is one of the biggest hoaxes of modern capitalism.

Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always…

I tried to configure it as my Thinkpad P15 from 2021, and it takes about 1000 euros more, no way I am paying over 3 000 euros for a laptop.

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Re: Framework Laptop 16

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I like Framework as an idea, but we're talking about a 1500$ premium over this competing 16 inch laptop. 1200$ https://www.bestbuy.com/product/gigabyte-aero-x16-copilot-pc... I literally can buy 2 of the Gigabyte laptops for the same price. Even if I can swap out some parts, odds are it's still easier( and cheaper) to just buy a new competing laptop ever 3 years. If your motivation is "the environment" you can always…

I tried to configure it as my Thinkpad P15 from 2021, and it takes about 1000 euros more, no way I am paying over 3 000 euros for a laptop.

My big issue with any expensive portable device is I might just drop it.

I'm typing on this laptop right now. I brought it for 450 USD on sale. https://www.bestbuy.com/product/asus-vivobook-s-14-14-oled-l...

Aside from Linux driver issues, shame on our community for downplaying this, it's an amazing computer. I swapped in a 2TB SDD, and I'll be using it for years.

If I drop it or do something stupid, I'm out 450$. Even a decent Macbook is only going to be about 1500$.

At 3000 Euro, 3500 USD I'd be afraid to take it out of the house, at which point a desktop is going to be significantly cheaper, better, easier to fix and less accident prone.

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