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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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It's a huge stretch to call the existence of 4chan in anyone's best interests. First they came for 4chan and I said nothing, because good riddance! This is not a slippery slope; this is a spring trying to return to the center. The harder the resistance at the extremes, the more energetic the oscillation will be, so if we want to minimize that, work on undermining the intolerable extremes. The sheer anarchy of the lib…

>It's a huge stretch to call the existence of 4chan in anyone's best interests. Absolutely, 100% incorrect. You obviously don't approve of 4chan's content or mission, but that's not the point. It benefits everyone when anyone takes a stand because their legal rights are under attack. "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." >This is not a slippery slope Again, incorrect. An…

The whole point of this is that what counts as "legal" is permitted to change. In particular, "legal under some circumstances" is a thing.

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They have fair and competitive elections, no?

our two party system means that more often than not you are voting against some party having power. The left wing has been vote split for some time, now the tight wing is getting vote split. It’s not a fair characterisation to say that the UK government is popular, the last actually popular government was probably Tony Blair (though many regret him in hindsight), though Boris had his followers I guess.

I'd say it is the other way around. -- Support for the Tories/Conservatives has collapsed to the point where they are 4th or even 5th place! Reform have benefitted most from this shift. [1]-[4]

The left wing is seeing Labour voters shift to the Lib Dems, Greens, Jeremy Corbin's new party, and Reform.

[1] https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/services_lsdm.html (April)

[2] https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_vipoll_20250625... (June)

[3] https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html (July)

[4] https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/blogs/ec_rrose_20250731.... (August)

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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The authoritarians locking down the internet, not sure why you need to ask

They can try. > And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lai…

Would have. Should have. Could have. The reality is the authoritarians won for decades.

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This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

“Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos”

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I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

> still have a unified internet across the globe. which might be the end goal - the internet, with freedom of communication, is a way that the plebs can organize and resist authoritarianism. And as countries are growing increasingly authoritarian (and i include UK here), they may be planning on preventing the old free internet that has enabled so much. So as technologists here at HN, there needs to be a pre-emptive s…

Yggdrasil is a decentralized mesh IPv6 network. It automatically forms one big network as more people connect together. It has end-to-end encryption, it's fast (unlike darknets), and it's pretty simple.

In such a "splinternet" scenario, it'd be a matter of setting up PTP links across borders. As long as a few people do so, it becomes one big network again.

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Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.

Imagine if some tech like DNS over UHF radio What could the UK do?

UHF? With LOS range? How useful is that?

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I assumed 4chan didn't exist anymore and it was renamed/replaced by another board... Great advertisement. The UK acts like a madman on fire trying to attack everybody.

It stopped being relevant because its content became acceptable on major social networks, beginning in late 2022.

4chan is to Twitter what Reddit is to Hacker News.

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2-party electoral systems (likely to bear >50% majority governments) are also not very democratic, in a way. There's no perfect system, but I prefer minority governments to a 2-party duopoly. YMMV.

The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory (Labour and Tories). Only rarely (e.g. 2010) does the token third party, the Lib Dems) get to be in coalition, and I think no one else has won anything since 1910. In a monkey's paw moment for everyone who dislikes only having effectively two parties to choose from, this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

> The UK has been effectively a two party system anyway within living memory

> ...this may soon be changing as Reform is poised to overtake the Tories.

How long has the Farage-shaped tail been wagging the dog? It probably was before 2010. He managed notch many wins without winning a majority government by getting the 2 major parties - especially the Tories - to adopt his parties' positions.

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I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

I wonder what they're going to do when the states mandating age verification for pornographic content start coming for them. Very similar to these dystopian foreign laws. But because they're US states 4chan will not be able to use the "we only recognize US law" defense.

The latest Steam and visa/Mastercard debacle has the project2025 head behind it. They want to make pork illegal in the US as well.

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> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…

> international laws such as the Online Safety Act.

It should be noted that the Online Safety Act is in fact not international, but UK-only.

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