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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by JFingleton »

rahen wrote: post #129
Eduard wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

all the weird proprietary Canonical stuff they try to put into vanilla Debian and have it replace common stuff. snap, lxd (not lxc!), mir, upstart, ufw. It's neverending, and it's always failing.

LXD was forked as Incus, and it’s an absolute delight. Seamless LXC and virtual machine management with clustering, a clean API, YAML templates and a built-in load balancer, it's like Kubernetes for stateful workloads.

Incus is fantastic. I think Proxmox is where everyone is migrating to after the VMWare/Broadcom fiasco, but people should seriously consider Incus as well.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by kasabali »

Paianni wrote: post #328
UncleSlacky wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

I don't like GNOME's engineering or license, but as far as the UI and design are concerned I don't think anyone has topped it (minus the hot corner I guess).

Meh, it looks pretty in screenshots but it's a huge waste of screen space in the end.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology

There is plenty that could be said of Debian but as far as I’m concerned that’s not part of it.

Debian patches software for purely ideological reasons because they think they are not free enough. That’s not pragmatism. That’s the reverse of pragmatism. It certainly is a real drag on the teams developing the software they try to ship.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

binwiederhier wrote: post #30

Thank you to all the Debian volunteers that make Debian and all its derivatives possible. It's remarkable how many people and businesses have been enabled by your work. Thank you! On a personal note, Trixie is very exciting for me because my side project, ntfy [1], was packaged [2] and is now included in Trixie. I only learned about the fact that it was included very late in cycle when the package maintainer asked fo…

> As a result the Debian-ized version of ntfy doesn't contain a web app (which is a reaaal bummer), and has a few things "patched out" (which is fine).

My advise to you is to deny all support from people using the Debian version of your software and automatically close all bug tickets from Debian saying you don’t support externally patched software.

You would be far from the first to do so and it’s a completely rational and sane decision. You don’t have to engage with the insanity that Debian own policies force on its maintainers and users.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by kasabali »

creatonez wrote: post #285
int_19h wrote: post #213

I see that systemd is still doing this thing where they are trying to strong-arm all Linux distros into arbitrary stuff that someone decided is the only right way to do something: > 5.2.2. systemd message: System is tainted: unmerged-bin systemd upstream, since version 256, considers systems having separate /usr/bin and /usr/sbin directories noteworthy. At startup systemd emits a message to record this fact: System…

Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic? Taint flags in this context just means something that might be relevant to debugging. Which this condition might be, if people in the future are unfamiliar with a potentially anachronistic split between /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. The debug message isn't there to judge the morality of your configuration. It's actively improving your ability to continue to suppor…

> Why do you think this is an attempt at a persuasion tactic

Because they said so:

> As part of that we sometimes adopt schemes that were previously used by only one of the distributions and push it to a level where it's the default of systemd, trying to gently push everybody towards the same set of basic configuration [1]

1. https://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by Narishma »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #187
Narishma wrote: post #74

> Users running i386 systems should not upgrade to trixie. Instead, Debian recommends either reinstalling them as amd64, where possible, or retiring the hardware. What I did is switch to NetBSD.

In the abstract I'm a big fan of supporting me old machines forever, but I have to ask out of curiosity - what hardware is practical to run these days and only has a 32-bit processor?

In my case I have a couple of first gen 32-bit Atom netbooks that I use regularly for the same things I've always used them for. The hardware still work just fine so I see no reason to replace them.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by madphilosopher »

umvi wrote: post #196
ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

Do you usually update in place or do a fresh install whenever a new major version comes out?

I always update in place. And I follow all the upgrade procedure advice in the release notes.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by ethan_smith »

potato-peeler wrote: post #19

> The overall disk usage for trixie is 403,854,660 kB (403 GB) What does this mean? If all 69k+ packages are installed, it will take up this much space?

The 403GB figure represents the total size of all source packages in the Debian archive, not the disk space required for a typical installation which is usually under 10GB for a desktop system.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by KronisLV »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> And one of the best parts is, I've never had a Debian system break without it being my fault in some way.

https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/debian-updates-are-broken

https://blog.kronis.dev/blog/debian-and-grub-are-broken

Then again, I’ve had most software occasionally break, I’m thankful that Debian exists.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by anonfordays »

stouset wrote: post #15
heikkilevanto wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed. I honestly do not know what you are referring to. Even if I had to take your "sexual predator" at face value, I would still have to balance that against the good stable reliable distro they have been done for so many years.

I too had no idea what he’s talking about, so I did some digging. So, an open-source contributor who works for Canonical on Ubuntu gave a talk at Debconf. He is a convicted and admitted sexual predator who served time in prison for his crimes. This all is pretty well-documented. But… then what? He did the time for his crimes. He’s on the national sex offender registry. What now? Should he be unemployable? Should his…

If you just want to quietly make software then nobody cares what you are, but when you decide to function as a political activist group and demand compliance with your personal morals, then the personal morals of your organization members becomes fair game.
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