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ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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We couldve easily build all these features a year ago, tools are nothing new. Its just barely useful.

Most applications now are more intuitive than our brain can think fast. I think telling an AI to find me a good flight is more work than to type in sk autocomplete for skyscanner having autocomplete for departure and for arrival allowing me to one way or return, having filters its all actually easier than to properly define the task. And we can start executing right away. Agent starts after texting so it will increase more latency. Often modern applications have problems solved that we didn’t even think about before.

Agent to me is another bullshit launch by OPENAI. They have to do something I understand but their releases are really grim to me.

Bad model, no real estate (browser, social media, OS).

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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> how it normally takes him 4 to 8 hours to put together complicated, data-heavy reports. Now he fires off an agent request, goes to walk his dog, and comes back to a downloadable spreadsheet of dense data, which he pulls up and says "I think it got 98% of the information correct... This is where the AI hype bites people. A great use of AI in this situation would be to automate the collection and checking of data. Se…

”The people who YOLO it with prompting cycles until the code passes tests and then submit a PR are causing problems almost as fast as they’re developing new features in non-trivial codebases.” This might as well be the new definition of “script kiddie”, and it’s the kids that are literally going to be the ones birthed into this lifestyle. The “craft” of programming may not be carried by these coming generations and p…

So is here to stay. If you’re unable to write good code with it. Doesn’t mean everyone is writing bad code with it.

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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"Long time" as in, 7 months since o1 and reasoning models were released? That was a pretty big breakthrough.

In the context of our conversation and what OP wrote, there has been no breakthrough since around 2018. What you're seeing is the harvesting of all low-hanging fruit from a tree that was discovered years ago. But fruit is almost gone. All top models perform at almost the same level. All the "agents" and "reasoning models" are just products of training data. I wrote more about it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/ite…

This "all breakthroughs are old" argument is very unsatisfying. It reminds me of when people would describe LLMs as being "just big math functions". It is technically correct, but it misses the point.

AI researchers spent years figuring out how to apply RL to LLMs without degrading their general capabilities. That's the breakthrough. Not the existence of RL, but making it work for LLMs specifically. Saying "it's just RL, we've known about that for ages" does not acknowledge the work that went into this.

Similarly, using the fact that new breakthroughs look like old research ideas is not particularly good evidence that we are going to head into a winter. First, what are the limits of RL, really? Will we just get models that are highly performant at narrow tasks? Or will the skills we train LLMs for generalise? What's the limit? This is still an open question. RL for narrow domains like Chess yielded superhuman results, and I am interested to see how far we will get with it for LLMs.

This also ignores active research that has been yielding great results, such as AlphaEvolve. This isn't a new idea either, but does that really matter? They figured out how to apply evolutionary algorithms with LLMs to improve code. So, there's another idea to add to your list of old ideas. What's to say there aren't more old ideas that will pop up when people figure out how to apply them?

Maybe we will add a search layer with MCTS on top of LLMs to allow progress on really large math problems by breaking them down into a graph of sub-problems. That wouldn't be a new idea either. Or we'll figure out how to train better reranking algorithms to sort our training data, to get better performance. That wouldn't be new either! Or we'll just develop more and better tools for LLMs to call. There's going to be a limit at some point, but I am not convinced by your argument that we have reached peak LLM.

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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It's not the Manhattan Project. I'm flagging your comment because it is insubstantial flamebait. We don't even know how valuable this tech is, you're jumping to conclusions. (I am American, convince me my digression is wrong)

It's not your own personal 'censor this opinion I don't like' button.

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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The "spreadsheet" example video is kind of funny: guy talks about how it normally takes him 4 to 8 hours to put together complicated, data-heavy reports. Now he fires off an agent request, goes to walk his dog, and comes back to a downloadable spreadsheet of dense data, which he pulls up and says "I think it got 98% of the information correct... I just needed to copy / paste a few things. If it can do 90 - 95% of the…

How well does the average employee do it? The baseline is not what you would do but what it would take to task someone to do it.

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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And I'm still waiting for the simple feature – the ability to edit documents in projects. I use projects for working on different documents - articles, research, scripts, etc. And would absolutely love to write it paragraph after paragraph with the help of ChatGPT for phrasing and using the project knowledge. Or using voice mode - i.e. on a walk "Hey, where did we finish that document - let's continue. Read the last…

Have you tried the Canvas feature for collaborative writing? Agreed on voice mode - would be great to be able to narrate while doing busywork round the house.

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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I disagree that there isn't an innovation. The technology for reasoning models is the ability to do RL on verifiable tasks, with the some (as-of-yet unpublished, but well-known) search over reasoning chains, with a (presumably neural) reasoning fragment proposal machine, and a (presumably neural) scoring machine for those reasoning fragments. The technology for agents is effectively the same, with some currently-in-R…

Fair enough I guess, even though the concept of agent/agentic task popped before reasoning models were really a thing

The idea of chatbots existed before ChatGPT, does that mean it's purely marketing hype?

Re: ChatGPT agent: bridging research and action

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The security risks with this sound scary. Let's say you give it access to your email and calendar. Now it knows all of your deepest secrets. The linked article acknowledges that prompt injection is a risk for the agent: > Prompt injections are attempts by third parties to manipulate its behavior through malicious instructions that ChatGPT agent may encounter on the web while completing a task. For example, a maliciou…

Many of us have been partitioning our “computing” life into public and private segments, for example for social media, job search, or blogging. Maybe it’s time for another segment somewhere in the middle? Something like lower risk private data, which could contain things like redacted calendar entries, de-identified, anonymized, or obfuscated email, or even low-risk thoughts, journals, and research. I am Worried; I b…

>I barely use ChatGPT for anything that could come back to hurt me later, like medical or psychological questions

I use ollama with local LLMs for anything that could be considered sensitive, the generation is slower but results are generally quite reasonable. I've had decent success with gemma3 for general queries.

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