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Post by willvarfar »

graeme wrote: post #118
paganel wrote: post #94

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So then how come hasn't Article 5 been activated yet? Does that mean that said Article 5 is not even worth the piece of paper it has been written on?

Your first comments suggests it isn't happening ("which nato countries") Now, predictably upon being told that it happens you pivot to NATO is useless. Which is it: a set of attacks so obscure no reasonable person would be aware, or a horrendous onslaught where Article 5 should have been invoked and a mass retaliation begun? NATO countries historically didn't invoke Article 5 even for terrorist attacks killing their…

> NATO countries historically didn't invoke Article 5 even for terrorist attacks killing their own citizens

The only time Article 5 has been invoked was when terrorists attacked America in 9/11.

And a lot of non-NATO countries offered support too, including Ukraine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participants_in_Operation_Endu...

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Post by bearjaws »

lnsru wrote: post #2

Working for a company in Germany which is planing production 3 months in advance using printed Excel sheets. The migration of ERP system gone wrong and nobody knows how to fix it. Production management tries to hide this fact and does not talk to the engineering department. This will go for years, consultants will gather their fees for non functional system. Obviously IT infrastructure is not needed for manufacturing…

I worked for a company that was working on rolling out D365 for 2 years :)

I was acquired by a company that was working on Sales Force integration for 3 years, I left before it was fully functional.

They had 4 full time devs working on Sales Force, meanwhile we had built the entire company in a year with 4 devs.

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Post by [deleted] »

herculity275 wrote: post #192
orbital-decay wrote: post #148

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>residents of Russian Federation probably were not a target audience of Russian version of this website anyway Deliberately blocking the supposed enemy from hearing you does strike me as irrational, though. The mere fact they're doing Russian censors' job should probably make them recheck if they got anything wrong in their decision process, just in case.

At this stage in the war keeping your social spaces free of malicious users seems like a much higher priority than providing the other side's civilians with accurate information. Russians can access all the info in the world with a simple VPN setup, that clearly doesn't change the situation in Russia.

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Post by 2YwaZHXV »

tialaramex wrote: post #106
andrelaszlo wrote: post #79

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Just the other day one of my clients had a production critical server failing and we started restoring it from backups. Turns out some of the software running on it had some weird licensing checks tied to the hardware so it refused to start on the new server. It turns out that the company that made this important piece of software doesn't even exist anymore.

Virtualization really helps. We have a lot of weird software which requires hardware dongles, but they're all USB dongles and they're all virtualized, one of the DC racks has a few U worth of just USB socket -> dongle wired up so that if we spin up a VM it can say "Hey, give me a USB socket with a FooCorp OmniBloat dongle on it" and get one unless they're all used.

would certainly be interested to learn more about this

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Post by Kapura »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #339
Kapura wrote: post #249

Cyber warfare is really reaching a new peak in Ukraine, and not just the more-traditional cyberattacks like this. The target is of note; the drones themselves are the thing that's setting this war apart from all of the primarily human powered wars of the past centuries. Drones have revolutionized reconnaissance, sabotage, and munitions interception. Relative to their material cost, they can be terrifically destructiv…

In the book Ministry of the Future, a near-future look at a world dealing with devastating climate change, wars become somewhat obsolete because drones get so good it's always possible to kill someone anywhere in the world. The smallest faction can easily kill the leader of any country. It's an interesting thought. I don't recommend the book, one of those thought experiments with lots of interesting ideas with not en…

It's fallacious to assume that defenses stop evolving after new weapons come to the fore. Some drones are deployed in anti-drone capacities; the war economics becomes balancing how advanced to make the attack drones vs. how cheap the countermeasures are. In Ukraine we've already seen small drones that are able to damage the wings of much larger and more "technically advanced" platforms.

War didn't end the first time man invented the longer spear; defenses adapt.

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Post by stavros »

feynmanalgo wrote: post #171
zulban wrote: post #162

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A real person showing up is a huge cost and risk. No threat actor will continue an attack on just a hospital like that. The economics make no sense and any money is already extracted. Ransomware shops are very happy to just shotgun the internet from afar. A far bigger risk is accepting incompetent volunteers if anything.

I didn't say anything about original attacker continuing the attack.

The same answer still applies: That attack vector doesn't have a positive ROI.

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Post by nitwit005 »

Lutger wrote: post #299
worldsayshi wrote: post #60

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Excel has the benefit of being understandable and fixable by a lot of regular office workers. It's a bit surprising that we don't have that feature as a requirement for most IT infrastructure. It would make it so much more usable.

The fact that every office worker understands excel, does not mean that every office worker understands every excel sheet. Most of the projects we did in consultancy dev, was turning that one critical excel sheet nobody but 'the excel guy' understands into a simple to use web application, so that everybody could use it and the business won't explode when mr. excel would leave the shop.

Also just the problem of finding the Excel sheets in the first place.

Saved to someone's desktop, or some random directory no one knows about.

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Post by catlikesshrimp »

hosh wrote: post #307

The headline of the article called these people cyber activists, and in the text of the article, they were called cybercriminals. Which is it? It reminds me a bit with the situation with privateers during the age of sail. These were often people operating at the edge of the law, or even outright outlaws, given a letter of marque, a license to raid warships and commerce against a specific adversary. I'm sure out on th…

Kind of a Robin Hood situation: Hero for some, criminal to the others.

The article might be a collage of several other articles, and they didn't check for consistency.

I would love some other term for the aligned side people in cyberwarfare, sort of "cybersoldier" or "networkmilitia", not already somehow cliched in some film. "Cyberactivists" sounds like online protesters (in facebook and such)

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Post by panstromek »

Kapura wrote: post #249

Cyber warfare is really reaching a new peak in Ukraine, and not just the more-traditional cyberattacks like this. The target is of note; the drones themselves are the thing that's setting this war apart from all of the primarily human powered wars of the past centuries. Drones have revolutionized reconnaissance, sabotage, and munitions interception. Relative to their material cost, they can be terrifically destructiv…

> some are able to operate even when affected by electronic signal jamming

Not even that. The new hotness are the fiber optic cable ones that don't even use radio signals, that's some scary stuff.

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Post by eptcyka »

SoftTalker wrote: post #334
eptcyka wrote: post #121

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Yeah, I had similar experiences, but now I use nix, which solves these problems.

I don't really know nix, but have used Ansible to try to have all configuration version-controlled and automated. But if there's any possibility of making changes outside of that, you have to be very disciplined. As soon as someone makes a one-off manual change to a crontab or a systemd unit, you're screwed.

NixOS just doesn’t let you do that in the nominal case, most of /etc consists of symlinks to a read only partition that is managed by nix - it is actually more difficult to do one-off scripts or config changes via files than it is to do so via nix, at least nominally - there are of course software that has it’s own special config format or that keeps its config in a database - but those get snapshot(ed?) and backed up anyway.

Imo, nix is more finnicky but more of a complete solution than ansible.

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