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Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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Except for Ian M. Banks, which is about spaceships :)

That’s also about people. And communism. Only some of the people in the series are space ships.

> And communism

By a literal definition communism means the collective ownership of the means of production.

In the Culture the means of production own themselves, and they don’t seem to answer to anyone unless it suits them.

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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I had the opposite experience with Neuromancer. I read it too many times! Sorry for the long post (translated by GPT as it was originally in Greek). In September 1993, I started my final year of high school in Greece, aiming to study Computer Science. A girl I barely knew heard I was into computers and handed me Neuromancer, the 1989 Greek edition. I still have it. I already loved science fiction, though my reading h…

> I married the girl who gave me the book Neu-romance-er :)

I barely knew her!

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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One thing that I found remarkable about Gibson is how a-technical he was at the time: "When I wrote Neuromancer, I didn't know that computers had disc drives. Until last Christmas, I'd never had a computer; I couldn't afford one. When people started talking about them, I'd go to sleep. Then I went out and bought an Apple II on sale, took it home, set it up, and it started making this horrible sound like a farting toa…

Gibson is such a unique sci-fi author because his fundamental interest is fashion (he’s said this himself) - his worlds are beautiful, but completely skin deep, and he’s a master of using one word or phrase to evoke an entire world or backstory, but you scratch at what he’s written and it’s all vibes. Bruce Sterling is similar, although maybe less of a fashion native - they’re both looking at people and at trends and…

You know this makes a ton of sense and why his writing is so compelling. We experience the “vibe” of a world, not the technical details. And I am saying this as someone who came into Sci-Fi from Heinlein who to a fault focused on the technical. I think the moment you get into the mathematics of anything it starts feeling more mundane. But perceiving a different reality by how it feels is what we do as children and that’s why it’s such a magical feeling.

One of my pastimes is finding more plot holes in Harry Potter and one of the canonical ones is why do they deliver mail by owl? They have the ability to instantly teleport using several different methods. They have telepathy. Why owls? But owls are just really cool as mail carriers and no other reason is needed. I am sure to a wizard, reading those novels would range from boring to infuriating but if you aren’t a wizard, the setting is compelling (even if the plot and the author are not).

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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"translated by GPT"

I believe parent was talking about translated book, not about the comment.

Respectfully, they wrote,

"Sorry for the long post (translated by GPT as it was originally in Greek)."

It seems unambiguous to me, they were referring to their own posted comment.

Edited to add: they also confirmed same in this thread.

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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That’s also about people. And communism. Only some of the people in the series are space ships.

> And communism By a literal definition communism means the collective ownership of the means of production. In the Culture the means of production own themselves, and they don’t seem to answer to anyone unless it suits them.

Socialism is the transition stage where collective ownership of the means of production, where the working class gains state power from the capitalist class.

Communism is a later stage of such abundance that money, classes and state power become redundant and are abolished.

The Culture is an imagining of the latter, where many means of production become people. They thus become workers that can labour for each other if they collectively decide to.

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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In the 70s/80s, the jobs that were available to you were basically what your family member could "get you in". I am of that age and I remember General Motors was a great place to work at that time. My friend "got in" after high school because his father was a union boss. For me, "getting in" to General Motors was literally impossible because I had no connections. I was into 90s cyberpunk and the problem was the ideas…

> In the 70s/80s, the jobs that were available to you were basically what your family member could "get you in" (UK here). My first job in 1987 was in computing for an engineering company and my father had exactly zero influence on me getting that job.

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Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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Ahem: https://www.gregegan.net/

Greg Eagan’s SF is so hard it makes ‘hard’ SF feel like soap bubbles.

That guy goes as hard as a math class.

For example, here's a page on his site explaining a concept in one of his books: https://www.gregegan.net/DIASPORA/02/02.html

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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Gibson was obviously very inspired by Japan. The Matrix was also in part directly inspired by Ghost in the Shell, even creating The Animatrix at the same time. But Ghost in the Shell and Blade Runner was told from the inside. It is about the authorities chasing down rouge elements. Neuromancer and The Matrix is from the perspective of the outsiders. Like someone else said in the comments here, cyberpunk is countercul…

I read an interview in the back of one of the volumes of Gundam: Origin where original series creators Yoshikazu Yasuhiko and Yoshiyuki Tomino reflected on their history in the student protest movement of the 1960s. It was a fascinating read because I didn't know anything about the Japanese New Left, and all of a sudden it made Gundam click for me in a way that it hadn't before. It also made me realize that my knowle…

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Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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I was very much alive in the 1980s but for no particular reason I never read Neuromancer at the time. No specific reason I guess other than I never fetishized Japanese culture. I read it back in the 2010s and was... underwhelmed. I see this pattern a lot: a given work is seminal but it doesn't tend to age well. Much of the accolades are based on nostalgia. Cyberpunk as a genre is inherently both xenophobic and Orient…

While I don't think you're wrong about the orientalist elements in Western cyberpunk, consider that Japan also produced two of the seminal and genre-defining works of cyberpunk (Akira and Ghost in the Shell).

Japanese artists in the nineties stanned so hard for Blade Runner. The influence on their media aesthetics is pretty pervasive.

Re: Reading Neuromancer for the first time in 2025

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Somebody really should mention John Brunner. His "Stand on Zanzibar" and "The Sheep Look Up" predate Gibson and Sterling by a decade and both those authors have cited his influence on their works. I love Neuromancer but Zanzibar is also brilliant.

Totally agree. "Stand on Zanzibar" has a modern-world feel to it although some parts have been visited by the Suck Fairy. "Shockwave Rider" is also interesting - IIRC characters use their landline phones to access large computer systems. Because Brunner never really goes into too many techy details - it's just phones and computers - it's less jarring to read now than books where technology-heavy authors such as Arthu…

> Suck Fairy

Well that’s a new one on me.

https://fanlore.org/wiki/The_Suck_Fairy

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