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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:19 PM UTC

FergusArgyll wrote: post #257

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And then doubled down with a later Instagram post making fun of everyone. How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable.

> How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug co…

> the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism

I feel like that's something you want to believe so that you can dismiss legitimate concerns about environmental destruction.

Because that's like saying capitalists want to grow the economy faster to destroy the environment. Which is obviously crazy and untrue.

I love capitalism. I'm also deeply concerned the way it's run currently will destroy the world my children will inherit. These aren't contradictory ideas. Why can't we capitalism better?

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Post by SirMaster » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

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Why does every source I can find list Russia as a superpower?

To hazard a guess: because Google et al think you're the kind of person who clicks that kind of source. When I search for list of superpowers, I get superheroes — obviously nobody on Marvel or DC is going to be listed as having "Russia" as their superpower, but this does illustrate what it is that search engines do these days, and it's not objective truth.

When you search for a list of superpowers? I mean did you not simply include the word countries?

Do you have a good authoritative source that lists the superpower countries that does not include Russia?

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Post by trust_bt_verify » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:22 PM UTC

close04 wrote: post #266

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'whataboutism' was not correct term here just search vector for similar effect. I would call it maybe 'relativizing'. Like making everything so relative that anything could happen in theory while taking away attention from the fact (hence similarity with whataboutism) that it just (or mostly) happens in one specific case. So Oil industry would align with 'Left' if 'Left' aligned with Oil industry, but that is not rel…

> Like making everything so relative That industries shift affiliation if it brings them money is not "relative", it's just something they show again and again, some more than others. I don't care about US politics right/left but as someone who worked in the oil industry I can guarantee you that the industry will shift its affiliation towards the side that makes it more money. Many industries do this, much of the lef…

You are correct. The fossil fuel industry will fund anyone who will take their money and push their greedy agenda. The difference in the republicans are normally the only ones who will stoop that low to sell out future generations for power today. That’s why no one cares about your false equivalency.

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Post by regularjack » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:30 PM UTC

zmgsabst wrote: post #134

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If this administration doesn't want to do anything to solve climate change, that's their choice. It's a terrible choice, but it's in their power to do so. However, there's a huge difference between dismissing the severity of the evidence vs. going out of your way to hide evidence. The first is born of arrogance. The later is naked cowardice - they know exactly how wrong they are. If they wanted to project strength, t…

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You don't need to "believe" that there's bias, you look at the data and you can tell whether they're biased or not.

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Post by krapp » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:34 PM UTC

triceratops wrote: post #341

FergusArgyll wrote: post #257

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> How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug co…

> the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism I feel like that's something you want to believe so that you can dismiss legitimate concerns about environmental destruction. Because that's like saying capitalists want to grow the economy faster to destroy the environment. Which is obviously crazy and untrue. I love capita…

There is no other, better, more humane form of capitalism. Capitalism's only concern is the generation and control of capital by the capitalist class. It isn't that capitalists want to destroy the environment, it's that they don't care about the environment beyond it being a resource to be exploited and consumed. "Better capitalism" just means doing more of that exploitation faster and more efficiently.

I don't know what you love and call capitalism but I suspect you've been convinced that as a system it has some inherently moral dimension. It does not, and cannot. It's a paperclip maximizer, that's all.

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Post by dragonwriter » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:40 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #345

triceratops wrote: post #341

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> the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism I feel like that's something you want to believe so that you can dismiss legitimate concerns about environmental destruction. Because that's like saying capitalists want to grow the economy faster to destroy the environment. Which is obviously crazy and untrue. I love capita…

There is no other, better, more humane form of capitalism. Capitalism's only concern is the generation and control of capital by the capitalist class. It isn't that capitalists want to destroy the environment, it's that they don't care about the environment beyond it being a resource to be exploited and consumed. "Better capitalism" just means doing more of that exploitation faster and more efficiently. I don't know…

Exactly. To the extent that a politico-economic system is concerned with anything other than how the capitalist class can maintain control of society through control of the means of production, it is not capitalism. Of course, platonically pure capitalism is rare, and even relatively pure capitalism is mostly a thing of the past since most of the places it was present replaced it with mixed economies in the mid-20th Century, but that's not "kinder capitalism", but simply less capitalism.

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Post by southernplaces7 » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:44 PM UTC

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Re: Websites hosting major US climate reports taken down

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Post by triceratops » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 5:48 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #345

triceratops wrote: post #341

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> the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism I feel like that's something you want to believe so that you can dismiss legitimate concerns about environmental destruction. Because that's like saying capitalists want to grow the economy faster to destroy the environment. Which is obviously crazy and untrue. I love capita…

There is no other, better, more humane form of capitalism. Capitalism's only concern is the generation and control of capital by the capitalist class. It isn't that capitalists want to destroy the environment, it's that they don't care about the environment beyond it being a resource to be exploited and consumed. "Better capitalism" just means doing more of that exploitation faster and more efficiently. I don't know…

> I don't know what you love and call capitalism

Private property and competitive free markets. I just don't like where they end up. I think they need a firm hand to keep from turning into a paperclip maximizer. Maybe that's impossible, but we can't know until we really try.

It's not like other systems have a better track record on environmental protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

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Post by FergusArgyll » Thu, Jul 03, 2025, 6:14 PM UTC

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FergusArgyll wrote: post #257

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> How are these people our elected officials? It’s unbelievable. Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism - the system that made the US the country they love. I never hear growth-minded solutions for climate change: Let's get rich enough so everyone (even European hotels) can afford AC? Drug co…

> Because they know that the vast majority of people advocating for climate change to be a high priority issue is because they want to use that to slow down capitalism Is this really what you think? That the people concerned about climate change are really just interested in changing economic policy? The real motives of environmentalists is to erode capitalism? Respectfully: that's nuts. > Let's get rich enough so ev…