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Post by mr_toad »

epolanski wrote: post #263
keiferski wrote: post #40

Apple without Ive and Jobs increasingly has a taste problem. Everything from their ads to things like this are just in really poor taste, and aren’t something that they would have done 15 years ago because they would have thought it was beneath their brand. I like Apple, so I’m really hoping they bring on someone to solve this. Otherwise they’re on track to be the same as every other tasteless tech company. More on t…

The company is donezo to be honest. Without the huge hold of the cloud and business markets Microsoft enjoys they only have hardware. And besides their excellent laptops you can forget of the existence of any other of their products.

They have a huge chunk of the smartwatch and tablet market.

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Post by hylaride »

iambateman wrote: post #183
ryandrake wrote: post #47

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The whole forcing a U2 album onto people’s devices thing, which happened shortly after Jobs died, was the first time I, a former Apple fan, sat up and realized “wow, these guys are really losing their taste/tact!” Weird to think that was over a decade ago!

I think Jobs makes the same mistake with U2 even if he is at the helm. But I think he would’ve been more effective at handling the fall out. Apple had enjoyed having world-leading crisis communications embodied within Steve and didn’t immediately know what to do when he was gone.

> I think Jobs makes the same mistake with U2 even if he is at the helm. But I think he would’ve been more effective at handling the fall out.

Perhaps, but there probably would have been more thought over it than just shoving it onto everybody's phone. The problem, I think, is that Apple is *mostly* run by white men over 50 - a demographic that sees U2 as the pinnacle of the rock band. They probably don't even realize that rock bands aren't "cool" anymore. I remember when Apple Music was first announced and Eddy Cue spent far too long "demonstrating" his music library and it fell flat even to the press in his age range. Usually you're best off demonstrating with "timeless" music as music tastes are so personal.

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Post by jcoder »

I'm trying to remember if anyone complained like this about the Apple Card offers in Apple Wallet. For some reason advertising their credit card is completely fine, but advertising their movie is where people get out the pitchforks? Not defending either, I think both are egregious. I just think it's interesting.

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Post by jonny_eh »

mcphage wrote: post #209
troupo wrote: post #121

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Modern Apple can't even do tacky things. Tacky things under Jobs were failed experiments. Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments or failed experiments.

> Modern Apple doesn't believe in either experiments Apple Vision Pro qualifies here.

One of their costliest, most visible, failed experiments ever.

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Post by orangecat »

bliteben wrote: post #246
bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #50

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The point is, when Jobs was around, there was an overarching (unstated?) policy at Apple of “nobody do anything to make us look like cheap tasteless shits”. Whereas now, Tim Cook is very happy to sell out for a quick buck. He's a logistics guy, not a product guy, and at his core is a bean counter; he neither has taste nor appreciates that it has value unto itself.

Jobs had won complete cultural dominance of desktop pcs with the iMac 27". If you saw a desktop on a tv show for the past 20 years it was an iMac 27". Tim saw they could cancel it and go against their policy of minimal cords and sell separate Mac minis and Mac Studio displays.

Tim saw they could cancel it and go against their policy of minimal cords and sell separate Mac minis and Mac Studio displays.

I much prefer being able to use third-party displays and not having to get rid of perfectly good screens when getting a new computer.

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Post by hylaride »

chii wrote: post #55
jmsdnns wrote: post #48

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Jobs hated ads. You're right that he never wouldve done what Apple is doing now. Cook needs to stop listening to investors, like Warren Buffett, because he's letting them wreck Apple's integrity for the sake of making a buck. Apple just isnt user focused like they used to be and it's crappy.

Cook is an operations person. He makes the logistics work. He's no visionary. Jobs is a visionary, but is not a logistics person. Apple struck lightning when both existed, to provide complimentary ideas and counterbalances. Lighting doesnt strike twice imho.

Same with Ive and Jobs. Ive was a great designer, but no usability expert. Jobs put practical limits on and as soon as Jobs was gone, Ive got total control. The result is some of the least-popular Mac laptops ever.

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Post by epolanski »

mr_toad wrote: post #341
epolanski wrote: post #263

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The company is donezo to be honest. Without the huge hold of the cloud and business markets Microsoft enjoys they only have hardware. And besides their excellent laptops you can forget of the existence of any other of their products.

They have a huge chunk of the smartwatch and tablet market.

Neither of those products is really hard to replace with competitor's products.

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Post by dijit »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #330
lupusreal wrote: post #316

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Why not fire them both? > Imo you don't fire people for generating bad ideas, If an idea is that bad, at the very least they should be transfered into a role that doesn't involve coming up with good ideas, since obviously that is outside of their skill set. And what's the argument for not firing the chain of people who approved it? Their job was to stop bad ideas and they catastrophically failed.

> at the very least they should be transfered into a role that doesn't involve coming up with good ideas, since obviously that is outside of their skill set. Proposing one bad idea is not unusual for people whose job is idea-driven. When ideas are the primary currency of your occupation, you'll necessarily generate some losers. But in a company of Apple's size, that's why you rely on colleagues and - critically - a m…

Job security seems to hold higher esteem than prison.

Social norms exist outside of criminal law, and a single extremely poor decision is reason enough for people to lose their freedom.

Why shouldn’t it be possible for people to lose their jobs?

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Post by karel-3d »

briandw wrote: post #198

The Apple of old had a deep respect for their users. We paid for a product that tried its best to sweat the details and deliver the best experience possible. UX was king. Apple made hard choices and delivered minimal, thoughtful and delightful products. The motto was "less but better". Today we have an Apple that keeps pushing new poorly thought out features. More and more they don't respect the user. Constant interr…

They put U2 album to all iPhone users
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