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Post by throwanem »

yoshamano wrote: post #285
throwanem wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For #2, I wonder if you're aware of Planet Computers: https://store.planetcom.co.uk/collections/devices/products/c...

The issue with Planet Computer's Linux support is the lack of it. They all rely on custom kernels using Android drivers and libhybris to function. For both the Cosmo Communicator and Gemini PDA they glue together a bootable version of Debian, tick the checkbox for "it runs Linux" and then call it a day. https://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php more of a historical collection of stories than an active forum about Planet C…

Well, there's a reason I don't recommend them; my Gemini PDA, rooted on the Android side, was a nicely serviceable little writer's tool and portable terminal, until a poor battery protection implementation bricked it.

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Post by h4kunamata »

Those tools/features are more ways to collect data easily.

I have a Pixel 7 Pro running GrapheneOS , I am never going back to an AndroidOS, period. The level of privacy and control GOS provides is like no other, and the security update is always ahead of Google. GOS in fact has found and reported vulnerabilities which we get released to our phone faster than Google.

I am too biased to say anything, I went De-Google years ago, I am using web version instead of apps, if only people knew how much crappy is running in their phone. However, I still access YouTube coz TV sucks and there is no better service, and YouTube Music coz any other service sucks with poor content.

Mobiles releases from some time now have been more of the same, it is even worse on Apple side lmao, but now things are getting worse with AI everywhere.

AI IMHO means more data being collected, more features and services that are cloud based instead of locally, meaning, soon or later since everything is running on the cloud, you must pay a subscription. Remember, when it comes to big tech nothing is free, you either pay for a subscription or your personal data is the payment.

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Post by sagarpatil »

anticrymactic wrote: post #281
sagarpatil wrote: post #210

The worst part is I’m so deep in Apple ecosystem that it’s impossible to move to Android.

I'm genuinely so interested what this ecosystem is? Where do you use it? How does it help you? I have asked every apple user around me and they just tell me about photo sync and iCloud.

Let need explain. Windows user for 28 years. I decided to try macOS and got hooked (no more WSL). Moved from Android to iPhone because of tight integration with macOS. 1. Universal copy (copy from/to Mac) 2. Automatically fill OTP from phone to mac 3. Passwords app integration means I don’t have to fill 2FA manually (mac or iPhone) 4. I use Apple TV 4K and I can use my iPhone as a remote, use it for color calibration, use it as a dedicated camera for FaceTime on TV 5. I use Apple Watch to receive important calls/ notifications when my phone is not around. When you are using Watch, macOS does not ask you to enter system password for when you are changing system settings, installing/uninstalling apps etc.

These are the things at the top of my mind, I’m sure I can come up with much more.

Photo sync and iCloud are pretty easy to replace with Google Photos/G drive, so I’m not worried about that part.

It’s these small things that add up and make the whole experience better.

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Post by pxoe »

xinayder wrote: post #309
SchemaLoad wrote: post #165

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Material is fine, but it feels pretty uninspired to me. Like the corporate art version of UI. Big flat inoffensive blobs, washed out pastel colours, etc. The new iOS demo kinda makes me feel excited to try the new update, once they iron out a few of the poor contrast spots.

It used to be better when Material Design came out. It was more rectangular, looked better. Take a look at Android 10. It was much more "expressive". Now, it's just round, as if they're trying to copy the trend set by Apple. I updated my Galaxy S21 to Android 15 and I hate it. The new design occupies TOO MUCH space, I could check almost all my notifications (I only have 3-4 apps that send me notifications) with a qui…

Seems odd to point at older Material versions as "more expressive" when it's the Material You theming in 12 that really got it to shine.

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Post by simonh »

nashashmi wrote: post #302
xattt wrote: post #293

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It feels like Apple’s announcements for iPad OS are telegraphing that docking might be supported in yet-to-be-released iPhones.

There is only one purpose for the iPhone to have a usb c connection. Just one. The dock. Like all things apple, watch them muzzle it to keep sales of the IPAD high.

>There is only one purpose for the iPhone to have a usb c connection. Just one.

Compliance with EU law?

Re: Android 16 is here

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Post by cromka »

msgodel wrote: post #327
sagarpatil wrote: post #210

The worst part is I’m so deep in Apple ecosystem that it’s impossible to move to Android.

Export your contacts to rfc6350, use a mac to export your photos to a zip, put it all in git with the remote on a VPS and bail out. None of the other stuff is worth worrying about.

My gym app on my Apple Watch, the AirTag on my cat and my dog, the NotePlan app on my mac/iPhone...

I am personally migrating away from relying on iCloud and successfully so, but once you buy into an ecosystem, you end up entangled on so many levels that it's nearly impossible to move away with serious friction and habit-altering compromises. It becomes a serious cognitive load.

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Post by subscribed »

jaoane wrote: post #252
octo888 wrote: post #213

"Unfortunately, Android has made changes which will make it much harder for us to port to Android 16 and future releases. It will also make adding support for new Pixels much more difficult. We're likely going to need to focus on making GrapheneOS devices sooner than we expected." https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/114662145938666044

Okay, but what are the changes that made porting more difficult?

Not publishing Pixel-specific code, moving some of the features from AOSP to Google services.

GrapheneOS currently only runs on Pixels because they're only one Android phones with a reasonable security architecture.

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Post by hadlock »

SchemaLoad wrote: post #173
hadlock wrote: post #31

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I genuinely think this is the case, and why products don't have a LTS interface, even though they ought to. Sign me right up for the 10 year LTS interface. I can't recall any features in gmail that were added that I actually use besides labels, which was an early launch feature. But it's been redesigned about 9 times in the last 20 years, each time with increasing white space and/or a slightly different font.

If you need an LTS interface you might be best with one of those old people smartphones with the big numberpad.

I can't think of a single feature my phone has gained since at least 2015 that I use. Actually it looks like the nav bar and material design 1.0 came out in 2011? The smart phone was largely "done" being developed by 2014. That's the year we got formal support for "use the flash LED as a flashlight" feature. Nexus 5 had wireless charging in 2013. Other than that the only reasons to upgrade is forced obsolescence or battery failure, or better quality phone camera(s).

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Post by charlie-83 »

h4kunamata wrote: post #342

Those tools/features are more ways to collect data easily. I have a Pixel 7 Pro running GrapheneOS , I am never going back to an AndroidOS, period. The level of privacy and control GOS provides is like no other, and the security update is always ahead of Google. GOS in fact has found and reported vulnerabilities which we get released to our phone faster than Google. I am too biased to say anything, I went De-Google y…

How did you deal with banking apps? That's the main thing that stops me moving to Graphene since I have a lot of accounts that either only have an app or only allow you to do certain things through the app.

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Post by JadeNB »

coredog64 wrote: post #198
JadeNB wrote: post #192

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> Apple now is entering their Windows XP design era. Is Windows XP universally understood to be bad design? I remember it as somewhere between blandly unremarkable and slightly pleasant.

The "Fisher-Price" design language was unpopular, but ISTR you could turn off most of the eye candy and get a the Windows 2000 design language. Pretty sure that was like the first or second thing I did with both XP and Vista.

> The "Fisher-Price" design language was unpopular, but ISTR you could turn off most of the eye candy and get a the Windows 2000 design language. Pretty sure that was like the first or second thing I did with both XP and Vista.

Ah, it is very likely that that's what I did, and so why I don't remember anything notable about it.

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