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Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by 0xCMP »

A lot of the comments complaining about working at companies with coworkers or leadership that don't care about hard work never seem to take the time to think about why that may be.

In short: the problem is the customer/consumer. All of us.

Who really doesn't care? The person paying. Or at least the median person paying. For most industries the customer does not care about hard work or whatever. It's always something else. Ongoing operations cost money. Growing costs money. In the end you need revenue to pay for on going work and justify investment or loans to help make more money. But the customer who will provide that needed revenue DOES NOT CARE about all these things we want.

This happens with citizens and infrastructure. This happens with businesses and their internal dev teams. It happens inside FAANNG all the time.

I don't know how to fix it, but certainly demanding change against an uncontrollable reality is not a sustainable solution. In the face of such a reality you can certainly understand how and why "not caring" is the only rational response.

Probably the only way to escape it is to work at companies that are pre-revenue and have enough external investment to fund their operations. Oh hey...

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by Henchman21 »

phkahler wrote: post #327
alabastervlog wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of harm has been caused by "automation" actually meaning "distributing parts of the same tasks among a bunch of people". As far as I can tell that's one of the main outcomes of "efficiencies" from computerization of offices, among other places: they mostly just made it feasible to carve up the job of e.g. secretary among everybody , adding to the number of things and processes each worker has to underst…

>> they mostly just made it feasible to carve up the job of e.g. secretary among everybody, adding to the number of things and processes each worker has to understand and deal with. A previous generations old guy told me about this. He worked in the defense industry 50 years ago. You know, they had secretaries or admins that would handle all sorts of things for the engineers. Then the government changed the way they…

You’re describing the change from personnel to human resources. Its this little linguistic trick the C-suite foisted on the rest of us. You dehumanize then exploit. Resources, after all, are meant to be exploited.

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by colechristensen »

1dom wrote: post #149

I read the title and it triggered something I've been thinking a lot lately: there's too much for everyone to care about right now. Article didn't really touch on it directly, but: > something that sounded like every other thing: some dude talking to some other dude about apps that some third dude would half-listen-to at 2x speed while texting a fourth dude about plans for later. It's not that the dudes don't care, i…

>It's not that the dudes don't care

Nope, I don't care.

Everything is garbage filler vying to buy my attention for some purpose or another and I expect bullshit from everyone. I am generally outraged, but for specific instances of bullshit? Not at all, those are expected. It's not desensitization, you just can't have less than 0 trust in an entity and once you get there specific instances of outrage no longer happen.

The major reason I think tiktok is so successful is it is the platform for punishing BS. You've got 3 seconds to get to the point and if you don't, you don't have attention. People complain about modern tech ruining attention span but I think it's the opposite, traditional content sold out to become ever less worthy of people's attention so people used tech to circumvent it.

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by pinkmuffinere »

XorNot wrote: post #239
chrisco255 wrote: post #199

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> I asked Reddit and TeamBlind how to best deal with this kind of situation > a lot of them, 99% of the answers go along these lines "Who the fuck cares man > So, that was my wake up call Let me get this right, you discovered your team was mediocre, you then asked the clinically cynical folks at Reddit for advice, people you don't even know and people who certainly don't know you, and the conclusion you walked away w…

But that's the same answer? Like, the answer you're giving is still a WTFC answer - it's just "leave". The things that are broken at that company, which are the things people keep reacting to in this thread as "why is service X so bad?"... they're going to stay broken. It's still not caring.

In the tradeoff between [rest and vest] vs [leave for higher standards], I think the second option is better, and “more care-y”. At the very least, it shows the company that there is a problem, and doesn’t squander talent. You’re right that there are even more care-y paths though — potentially op could continue to escalate the issue, train all his coworkers, or work crazy hours to fix the problem themself. There is a limit to what an individual can do though, so I don’t feel anyone is obligated to take the most care-y paths

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by kjkjadksj »

WalterBright wrote: post #286
bumby wrote: post #263

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Depends on the time horizon of investors.

The value of a stock is based on long term results. If the investors catch wind of the company sacrificing the long term for the short term, the stock price will go down accordingly.

So what is your thesis on GME? Long term play? It is literally a brick and mortar selling physical video games in an era where consoles are increasingly shipping without the ability to play physical media. And yet…

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by rglover »

I'd argue this is a byproduct of what's shown in the chart where productivity has continued to increase since the 1970s, but wages have remained flat [1]. And that is a side-effect of the money itself being screwed up (e.g., the U.S. is nearly $37T in debt and though they'll wax poetic about it...nobody really cares—the number just keeps goin' up).

Why care when—if you're the average bear—you can work incessantly and never really get anywhere close to what past generations enjoyed? I'd prefer to live in a world where people cared more, but if the incentives aren't there, we can expect to see the amount of "care" continue to decline.

This is why the "fix the money, fix the world" ethos of Bitcoin should be given more attention by detractors.

[1] https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by gilbetron »

The future is gone. I'm in my 50s, and for nearly all of that time I thought, dreamt, and worked towards a future that I read about, researched, talked to others about, and consumed media about. But over the past several years I realize it is gone. I thought maybe it was just my age, but it seems like the world is doing the same, so maybe not my age. Another thread mentions that no one talks about "life in the 22nd century". People are focused on what's in front of them in the present. Even companies don't really talk about the future anymore, just vague AI thoughts (and often crazy negative ones, witness the CEOs talking about the white collar bloodbath coming).

Things aren't really changing in many ways, but changing crazy fast in other ways, but not toward anything in particular. Maybe it is some sort of singularity-type thing approaching that I'm feeling. All I know is that my life hasn't changed much in the past decade. Smartphones, awesome computers, instead streams of videos, a sea of video games and books and music, but nothing new and remarkable. AI is here, probably, but that is just weird and terrifying, and this coming from someone that has watched and participated in it's development the entirety of my adult life.

Instead of new categories being created, we're just optimizing the hell out of everything.

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by Aunche »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #277
Aunche wrote: post #275

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> Fatal Recklessness at Boeing Traces Back to Long-Standing C-Suite Greed I suspect this is true to a certain extent, but IMO this narrative has been exaggerated to the point where it is completely useless. If Boeing execs were only focused on "short term profits," how did commercial aviation deaths decrease despite there being significantly more flights? https://www.statista.com/chart/4854/commercial-aviation-deat..…

> Works until it doesn't. Boeing 737 Max: The troubled history of fatal crashes and 346 deaths in 7 years - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/busi... - July 8th, 2024 As Boeing looks to buy a key 737 supplier [Spirit AeroSystems], a whistleblower says the problems run deep - https://www.npr.org/2024/06/16/nx-s1-4998520/boeing-737-spir... - June 16th, 2024 Boeing’s Decline Traced to Decades of Ca…

Are there actually more issues or are people just more aware of them? Like I said, commercial airline flights are significantly safer than they were in Boeing's supposed golden era despite these publicized scandals.

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Post by Henchman21 »

ewhanley wrote: post #220
mystifyingpoi wrote: post #124

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In my first job after graduating I've found: * programmer that worked maybe 2h/day, but was otherwise very important to one of the oursourced projects, so he got away with it and was publicly laughing about it without ever getting reprimanded * devops guy that insisted on using his magic copy-pasted shitty shell scripts instead of any popular config management tool at the time, simply to make it harder for anyone els…

It sounds like you should be able to run the table with so little competition. Why not engage, take on more responsibility, and obviously stand out to get more money and influence?

When you perform well at work and you do NOT get a share of the profits then all you shall be rewarded with is more work. Why? WTFC???

Re: The Who Cares Era

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Post by toomuchtodo »

Aunche wrote: post #348
toomuchtodo wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Works until it doesn't. Boeing 737 Max: The troubled history of fatal crashes and 346 deaths in 7 years - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/busi... - July 8th, 2024 As Boeing looks to buy a key 737 supplier [Spirit AeroSystems], a whistleblower says the problems run deep - https://www.npr.org/2024/06/16/nx-s1-4998520/boeing-737-spir... - June 16th, 2024 Boeing’s Decline Traced to Decades of Ca…

Are there actually more issues or are people just more aware of them? Like I said, commercial airline flights are significantly safer than they were in Boeing's supposed golden era despite these publicized scandals.

If your position is "well, it lasted this long and the organizational rot only killed a few hundred people" we may be unable to meet on this topic. How many deaths would be sufficient? I argue the decline in fatalities over time is due to commercial air traffic regulations and systems.

https://news.mit.edu/2024/study-flying-keeps-getting-safer-0...

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