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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by Stratoscope »

boxed wrote: post #320
hammock wrote: post #272

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Then there’s an aggressive driver who sees that and realizes it hammers home the point that the yellow speed signs (vs the white ones) are not enforceable. And an enforceable sign could never be a weird number because speedos don’t have ticks but every 5mph.

The first time I drove in the US I came up to a turn with the yellow speed sign. I was going faster and I could feel my car strain to not go off the road. This is to this day the second scariest thing I've experienced in a car. After that I 100% followed the yellow signs.

> This is to this day the second scariest thing I've experienced in a car.

I have to know! What was the scariest thing?

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by MisterSandman »

jcalvinowens wrote: post #99
nyrikki wrote: post #21

> Everybody in a meeting should give input or they shouldn’t be in the meeting At several companies I was at this rule would have removed the last slack time I had to fix, refactor and maintain systems. I actually asked a manager to add me to a monthly 2 hour 50+ people reoccurring meeting just so I could do some refactoring. I guess that is a form of Malicious compliance.

I don't understand this at all, why not just skip the meeting and spend the time refactoring? If you need the meeting as an excuse to prevent somebody else from claiming your time, it's time to look for a new job... that's super dysfunctional.

Even if it’s the latter, it doesn’t make sense, because you can just block off time in your calendar as « Focus Time » to work on things.

At most companies you can’t see other people’s calendar event names, but even if you can, I highly doubt someone would look at an event and overlap it without asking you first.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by volemo »

Groxx wrote: post #176
buzer wrote: post #101

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In Finland the universities (and I believe in many other European universities have/had this as well) there was "academic quarter" which meant that if something was scheduled for 10am it would actually start at 10:15am. IIRC if they used precise time (10:00) then it would actually start at that time. I've heard it dates back to when people didn't have easy access to precise time. It would allow students to hear the h…

It also allows you to have "1 hour" classes that are at 10am and 11am, and you aren't forced to leave early or arrive late. A 5m gap isn't enough for huge numbers of classes in many campuses.

How much can you actually do in 1 hour that’s 45 minutes long?

All my classes were 1.5 hours long. Yet professors still regularly chose to introduce new material on days with back-to-back classes, leaving standalone classes for practice or “less important” topics.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by shakna »

Aeolun wrote: post #310
shakna wrote: post #273

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So you're happy to punish 10% of students, for no fault of their own. You'll trade a moment's distraction, for a paid-for day's learning. That, is a lack of empathy. Especially as for about the last hundred years universities have had a process that allows for the necessary flexibility. To take this to the extreme... Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? If someone else causes a car acci…

> Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? Not necessarily, but I think you’d see a much more consistent attendance rate. Which is of course the whole point of such a policy.

The student is the employer, though. They are paying the university for a service. They aren't the employee.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by Planktonne »

shakna wrote: post #344
Aeolun wrote: post #310

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> Should we simply fire everyone who is late to work, without reason? Not necessarily, but I think you’d see a much more consistent attendance rate. Which is of course the whole point of such a policy.

The student is the employer, though. They are paying the university for a service. They aren't the employee.

The student is the customer, not the employer, if you must phrase it in those terms.

And I think education benefits when you define the student as a student, before anything else.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by [deleted] »

hollerith wrote: post #309
gnfargbl wrote: post #210

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I have a medical condition (autoimmune hypothyroid, extreme edition) which I wasn't aware of, but was suffering from severely, during my University years. Waking up was extremely difficult for me and as a result I was often late. At the time I couldn't understand why I seemingly had a problem that nobody else did, and presumed I just lacked self control. Nope, I just needed (a lot) of medication. Your Prof Ramsey wou…

You seem to think that if everyone were more empathetic, it would be possible to arrange our society so that people with serious un-diagnosed medical conditions never have to miss out on anything important.

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Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by wyclif »

Voklen wrote: post #283
gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

At St Andrews University we have the concept of an “Academic hour” where every class and lecture begins at 5 past and ends at 5 to the hour. So your 10:00-11:00 lecture is actually 10:05-10:55. I believe this is mainly to give people time to get between their classes across town and to standardise how much time one has to set up between lectures.

I really like and appreciate their system. It's simple and easy for everyone to adapt to.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by exe34 »

Aeolun wrote: post #264
shakna wrote: post #257

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The world we live in, with the people we live with, require accomodations every single day. Not locking a door allows the students who were delayed on the road by a car accident, as much as the disabled student who took five minutes longer than expected after falling down some stairs. Every single person makes mistakes at times. If those are not absorbed by flexibility, then they go on to affect everyone else connect…

It also allows the people actually in the class a lesson uninterrupted by random people for variety of good/bad reasons. Most 90% of students is not late on any given day. Should they all be penalized for the actions of a few?

Make them sit at the back of the class?

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by exe34 »

ryandrake wrote: post #287
degamad wrote: post #274

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The request is not to transfer the burden onto the 90%, but to design a system where the 10% are able to participate without impeding the 90%. For example, if students enter from the rear of the room, then delayed students can join without disrupting the on-time students. If we start the design process with the awareness that some students will be late, then we can design systems which support all students.

Here’s a process for that 10%: wake up 30 minutes earlier to create a buffer that allows for unexpected events like traffic and for expected events like “I just can’t seem to be on time, maybe I’m sick.”

"Just get less sleep, bro!" isn't the gotcha you think it is.

Re: Malicious compliance by booking an available meeting room

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Post by wyclif »

mxstbr wrote: post #191
gwd wrote: post #85

> When 2:50 rolled around and your meeting was supposed to end, do you think people actually ended the meeting? Noooooo. Absolutely not! At U of M, they solved this problem by having classes officially start 10 minutes after the time they were advertised as. That is, a class listed as being 10-11am was actually 10:10-11am; nobody showed up until 10:10. Sure, technically it's the same thing, but there's a pretty massi…

I've been doing this for years with my meetings and I wish Google Calendar had it built in. I have to keep manually adjusting start times and it's a pain.

It really should a setting that the user can toggle to default.
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