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Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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I presume that there is an official application that has been created by the US military / NSA / some other entity to facilitate secure encrypted messaging for a presidential administration? If such a beast exists what is it called? How does it work? I would more expect it to be a specific combination of hardware physically approved phones and software. Did the prior administration use it exclusively? I remember Obam…

For classified communication there are SME-PED devices.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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I don't think it's that big: USG procures defense and intelligence tech more or less constantly from Israel. It's unlikely that Israel would threaten that relationship (and the value they extract from it in terms of favorable relations) in exchange for military intelligence that's already shared with them. (I feel like I have to say this in every thread that insinuates something sinister about being a "former Israeli…

Israël have different interest than the usa. Today they may collide in most instances, who's to say tomorrow it will still be the case. For instance when Iran gets the nuclear bomb and threaten Israel with it ? An encrypted messaging system, used by the American government, is in my opinion even worst than the supposed Huawei 5g antenna data collection. Huawei wouldn't have had access to secret talk between top gover…

>For instance when Iran gets the nuclear bomb and threaten Israel with it ?

I don't know if this was your intention, but it's exceedingly likely that the US would side with Israel in all circumstances if Iran threatened Israel with a nuclear weapon, no matter who is president. In fact, the threat of Iran attacking Israel was one of the key reasons† Biden refused to unilaterally stop all arms shipments to Israel.

† Source: War by Bob Woodward.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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> Israel’s grip on DC’s balls is far too strong I more or less agree. > We’re literally an occupied nation The language of the US under occupation is a neonazi talking point, ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government) being a phrase neonazi morons like. Maybe a coincidence.

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Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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> There are other ways to archive whatsapp messages that don't involve modified WhatsApp apks. What other ways are there that don't involve WhatsApp's Google Drive backup feature or scraping the web interface?

The clean way to do it (which is how Telemessage’s competitors do it) is to use WhatsApp business APIs with dedicated phone numbers.

Most traders I dealt with want to do it on personal cell phone so they can keep contacts as they move around. Most of them are like salespeople, they know exactly how much money they bring in and successful ones refuse to do anything that will impede THEIR method of working. SEC Fines, Regulations? Those are for less successful people.

EDIT: There was another post calling them divas, alot of them act that way.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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See also: " The Signal Clone the Trump Admin Uses Was Hacked " https://www.404media.co/the-signal-clone-the-trump-admin-use...

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43890179 for discussion of whether that article should count as a follow-up or SNI. Normally I wouldn't link to meta discussion but this was such a weird borderline case that I spent over an hour trying to figure it out. Maybe that makes it interesting. Edit: in case anyone's confused about the sequence here, micahflee posted the current thread 2 days ago. The timestamp a…

This article doesn’t include information on the Hack.

The 404 media article linked in this article is an earlier article.

The 404 media article with the hack was posted last night at 6pm. So that needs a seperate post, and should not be marked duped.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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FWIW, I never clicked into this when I originally saw it because I'm not that interested in a "technical analysis", but gained interest when the other title said that the app was hacked. To me, that's worth discussing, but here that lede is a bit buried. And I now only know about it because a friend sent me the link. I do feel there's a pattern of me reading some interesting tech news, then thinking "wait, why didn't…

As a non-native English understander, I find it funny that discussions related to politics are “flagged”. I.e. carrying a flag.

Someone carrying a flag is flagging.

Someone who had a flag applied to them was flagged.

Noun to verb conjugations are unofficial English. But we love verbing our words. Google has been verbed into Googling. And when someone is the target of Google we call that getting Googled.

It's again, unofficial and unwritten and unstudied American English. So don't sweat it. It's how our slang evolves. Apologies for the lack of consistency in our language!

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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As a non-native English understander, I find it funny that discussions related to politics are “flagged”. I.e. carrying a flag.

Or "had a flag waved at them", like football assistant referees or F1 peoples.

Or “called them over by raising a hand” with “flagged down”.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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> 404 Media journalist Joseph Cox published a story pointing out that Waltz was not using the official Signal app, but rather "an obscure and unofficial version of Signal that is designed to archive messages" Wow. And that's while their entire point of using Signal is to have conversations scrapped after a week to leave no no traces of criminal activity.

Do you think they are using the message archiving version so that they can meet organizational message retention requirements? Maybe they are using signal to ensure they have e2e encrypted messaging on their devices?

So, I think it's pretty straighforward.

First, they are not supposed to use personal devices for classified conversations.

But they are allowed to use ordinary consumer devices for non-classified conversations. That even if not classified, they still might want to be secure -- or to communicate with other people who prefer signal.

But those conversations need to be archived, per government policy.

So on their ordinary consumer devices have a version of Signal on it that archives, to meet ordinary government policies.

This is all ordinary, and I believe probably the previosu administraiton had the same thing.

The only non-ordinary thing is that they insisted on using the consumer devices for classified conversations even though it violates policy, so just use the 'best' app on there for that. Which is not good enough, because you are not supposed to be having conversations including classified material on ordinary consumer devices, because they are not secure enough.

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The clean way to do it (which is how Telemessage’s competitors do it) is to use WhatsApp business APIs with dedicated phone numbers.

Most traders I dealt with want to do it on personal cell phone so they can keep contacts as they move around. Most of them are like salespeople, they know exactly how much money they bring in and successful ones refuse to do anything that will impede THEIR method of working. SEC Fines, Regulations? Those are for less successful people. EDIT: There was another post calling them divas, alot of them act that way.

yes, that's why TeleMessage managed to sell such a hacky solution - there was a clear desire for that product

Re: Technical analysis of the Signal clone used by Trump officials

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To me the shocking thing about the USA Gov't is that they manage to lose trillions in the defense dept that they can't account for, but somehow are unable to develop their own communications apps? What? Signing messages with a crypto key takes like 4 lines of code. It's not rocket science. Yet they use some corporate app? My only theory is that they're pretending to have only 'Signal' so that when they want to they c…

You are severely overestimating the intelligence levels of the people currently occupying the halls of power in America.
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