There is Mattermost which you can self host. Once you do, you will realize the DB grows REALLY fast
I poked around with Mattermost like ~8 years ago, but never anything serious. I don't know how good it is now, especially w/r/t administration, but I have to imagine that if you're concerned about $1000s -- let alone $100ks -- in annual costs, you can scale up your storage and still come out _way_ ahead. Maybe that's a naïve take?
Until you have to administer the DB. It’s doable, of course, but RDBMS administration for anything beyond toy scale gets interesting.
> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.
I never really understand allthe hating on Teams around here. I use it at work for team meetings, often with people in multiple timezones, on desktop and mobile, and it just works. Its not a stellar experience, but it does just quietly get the job done. The whole, largish company runs on it.
That is exactly the thing. It never just works. There are new bugs plaguing our company on a daily basis. And they change daily. Can't share screen today. can't unmute. unread messages will never become read. Can't call anyone. Meeting invites only updated for one attendee. meeting alerts don't pop up. trying to open basic windows takes upwards of a full minute(workflows panel for example). these are just some of the things from the last couple weeks. The problem is that it's never a consistent experience. It becomes a time sink of eternal FOMO because it cannot be trusted.
None of that mentions the terrible UX(why do emojis take 10s to load?). When your company is remote first, it's a complete disaster.
It used to be easier to use expertise to make money, now you need to use expertise just to get by.
I was not expecting this comment here but it tracks with my observations. Things that previously could be taken for granted now require applied thought and physical capability. For example, people regularly ask how to find reasonably priced housing in /r/askPortland. The OP usually mentions constant looking at Zillow and other sites / apps. Very, very few good deals will be found there because the marketplace is too…
thank you for the reply, it feels good for others to understand
> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.
Gosh, I just recently talked our management out of taking the Teams turn after Skype sunset was scheduled, in favor of another solution. I thought maybe I'm too biased against M$ due to all those coworkers' accounts being blocked for no reason without any way to reinstate - but reading through this thread is a sure confirmation I was right
My company is building something in the messaging/comms space, but focused on B2B rather than internal team chat like Slack/Teams. Seeing all the dislike for those two makes me wonder if we should enable intra-team messaging as a (free?) bonus feature.
As for PerfectWiki: fantastic hyper-targeted product and writeup. Congrats to Ilia
How are the things I mentioned not real? I didn't say that we are talking about those semantic arguments on this Hacker News thread, I'm talking about the world outside of that.
I've been here since August and I haven't seen anything that even remotely resembles > semantic arguments about why it’s ok for ICE to bust down random doors looking for brown people to deport to the death camps If you feel you have, I humbly suggest you go back and re-evaluate whatever it was that you read. Keep in mind that in order to qualify as such, the other party would have to agree with you that ICE's actions…
I’m curious as to why the other party would have to agree on this?
I was once 5 hours late to a fairly important meeting because the Teams calendar was showing the time in UTC instead of my zone. Never determined why.
Whenever I schedule a meeting, Teams warns me that some attendees are in a different time zone. Except they aren’t. I’ve confirmed with coworkers and checking our settings. And then there’s the “helpful” way teams resets the calendar view: let’s say I’m going back through calls from last week to see how long they took. In Teams, I go back a week, click the calendar item, record the time in my app, then go back to the…
I used to have a problem very similar to this, where the "working hours" Teams showed on my profile were in the wrong time zone. It turned out the solution was to go deep into some submenu of the Microsoft account settings website (_not_ anywhere in the actual Teams app) and edit the account time zone preferences, so perhaps look into that and make sure those match the local settings in the Teams app.
> It’s available right where employees already spend most of their day — in Microsoft Teams. Depression and dread is coming through me. All the repressed memories are flowing back up.
Yup. Immediately a negative impression from me. Doesn't mean it won't sell, congrats to OP, but god I hate everything about Teams. Right now it's showing me calendar items with times that are wrong, they'll switch to the right time in a few minutes... probably. I didn't change time zones, I didn't do anything, it's just something wonky about their new calendar setup. If the time updates I'll click to open the calenda…
My personal favorite UX-failure-of-the-moment in Teams: If I open the teams tab > Browse, it shows a big list of company-wide channels that I could join. There's a search box, but unlike any normal search box, it only does a prefix search, so if your channel is named "some test channel", and you search for "test", it doesn't find it! Several times I've given up at guessing the right channel name and had to ask coworkers to tell me the exact name in order to join.
I always found slack to be sort of awful and hated it. Then I used teams and understood that slack was actually a decent version of such apps.
Curious to know what's awful about slack specifically. For me, I don't like to get lost in a bazillion channels, pins are not global (`saved for later` is), there is no personal message queues etc. Do you have a laundry list?
Not so much a laundry listening more that it feels wrong as it is clearly an electron app and doesn’t feel like a native app and chooses to have its own conventions over embracing feeling like a native app.
I think that causes some of the issues you are mentioning.
Now I don’t personally see any communication app like slack that is any better than it. They all sort of suck but I feel like I had a better time with IRC apps back in the day than I do with modern communication apps.