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Post by epistasis »

prepend wrote: post #320
QuercusMax wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think it implies the judge did anything wrong. If you're arrested, you're going to experience whatever the cops want to do to you, regardless of whether they can convict you of it. "You can beat the rap but not the ride" is an indictment of the cops, not the arrestee.

I don’t know. It seems pretty unusual. Imagine that someone is being charged with shoplifting and literally at trial. Some other law enforcement agency shows up to the trial and wants to arrest them for jaywalking. It seems dysfunctional that the court would release them when they know a different law enforcement agency is literally in the building and wanting to arrest them. Is this how it works when the FBI comes t…

Talk to the cops, not the judge who is in a proceeding? Go talk to the chief justice?

The idea that the judge did anything wrong here, based on the description given by the FBI themselves, is absolutely beyond the pale. There's zero reason for ICE agents to barge into court and demand to take somebody.

They didn't even leave one of the multiple agents in the courtroom to wait for the proceedings to end. To blame the judge at all in this requires making multiple logical and factual jumps that even the FBI did not put forward.

Edit: the Trump administration has also been attacking the Catholic Charities of Milwaukee, which this judge used to run:

> Before she was a judge, Dugan worked as a poverty attorney and executive director of Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee.

It seems pretty clear that this is a highly politically motivated arrest that has zero justification.

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Post by whoknowsidont »

trelane wrote: post #261
whoknowsidont wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That statement isn't even close or applicable to any hypothetical actions the judge could have taken here. If the judge did something unlawful there are already lawful mechanisms for dealing with that and NONE of those mechanisms involve ICE detaining the judge. This is exactly what it looks like, nothing else.

> If the judge did something unlawful there are already lawful mechanisms for dealing with that and NONE of those mechanisms involve ICE detaining the judge. ICE is not detaining the judge. > But Brady McCarron, spokesman for U.S. Marshals Service in Washington, D.C., said Dugan is being charged with two federal felony counts: obstruction and concealing an individual. McCarron also confirmed Dugan was arrested at abo…

Arrested by the FBI on behalf of claims from ICE. For not detaining someone extra-judicially in her own court room. There was no need to arrest someone here, especially a judge.

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Post by alabastervlog »

kemayo wrote: post #168
willis936 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I'm not saying it's good, for sure. But I don't think it's a sign that the push for autocratic authoritarianism is winning , either. My optimistic take is that this is the sort of stupid overreach that works to turn other arms of government against the executive. The judiciary tends to be prickly about its prerogatives, and Trump's far from the point where he can just push stuff through without some cover.

We've been heading this direction with hardly a pause, let alone step back, since the '70s.

Authoritarianism was winning for 50+ years. Nobody with power meaningfully tried to stop it, and voters didn't give enough of a shit to elect people who would. Where we're at now, is that it won.

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Post by rustcleaner »

kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

>you can't lie to the feds

We really need a court case or law passed that says a stalked animal has the right to run (lie) without further punishment resulting from the act of running (lying). Social Contract™, and "you chose it" gaslighty nonsense aside, the state putting someone in a concrete camp for years, or stealing decades worth of savings, is violence even if blessed-off religiously by a black-robed blesser. Running from and lying to the police to preserve one's or one's family's liberty should be a given fact of the game, not additional "crimes."

We also need to abolish executions except for oath taking elected office holders convicted of treason, redefine a life sentence as 8 years and all sentencing be concurrent across all layers of state, and put a sixteen year post hoc time limit on custodial sentences (murder someone 12 years ago and get a "life sentence" today as a result? -> 4 years max custody). Why? Who is the same person after a presidential administration? What is a 25+ year sentence going to do to restore the victims' losses? If you feel that strongly after 8 years that it should have been 80, go murder the released perp and serve your 8!

The point is to defang government; it has become too powerful in the name of War on _______, and crime has filled the blank really nicely historically.

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Post by tedivm »

kemayo wrote: post #16

> He accused Dugan of “intentionally misdirecting” federal agents who arrived at the courthouse to detain an immigrant who was set to appear before her in an unrelated proceeding. It sounds like the arrest isn't because of any official act of the judge, but rather over them either not telling the ICE agents where the person was or giving them the wrong information about their location. There are some pretty broad law…

The ICE agents didn't have a warrant, so the judge was under no legal obligation to say anything to them at all.

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Post by esbranson »

martinjacobd wrote: post #318
esbranson wrote: post #196

Ok looks like the PACER documents dropped. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69943125/united-states-...

If this complaint is true (my understanding is a complaint is always only one side of the story and the evidence presented may not end up being admissible, obviously IANAL and so forth), then seems quite similar to the MA case from several years ago: https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2024/12/04/judge-shel...

Yes it would appear so.[1] It's a federal felony complaint so I believe it has to go to a grand jury next.

[1] https://www.mass.gov/news/commission-on-judicial-conduct-fil...

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Post by legitster »

DrillShopper wrote: post #293
legitster wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A good reminder that we need to support local, professional journalism. Otherwise the only information we would be getting right now is official statements or hearsay.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel now is just a reskin of USA Today[1]. They're not locally owned or controlled. [1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pr/2016/04/11/gannett-co...

The important thing is they are still paying for a journalism to do beat coverage in the area.

Everyone acts like independence is the most important aspect of journalism. But an independent blogger in New York rewording press releases is exactly how we got in this misinformation mess, and absolutely not a replacement for someone with a recorder walking around a courthouse asking questions.

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