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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by haswell » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 1:57 PM UTC

throwup238 wrote: post #332

haswell wrote: post #306

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I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

As Carl Sagan said, we’re a species that needs a frontier . We need to explore. That’s how hunter-gatherers actually survived, by following the animal migration and pushing outwards when population pressure or ecological change demanded it. I don’t see how our modern incarnation of plantation jobs is in anyway equivalent to that natural instinct. I don’t think that the vast majority of people would have as much troub…

> especially since 99% of them don’t even have a sliver of a chance at “fuck you money” like you did.

I didn’t have “fuck you money”. Just enough to live a moderately frugal life on the equivalent of median income as long as the market didn’t tank.

The thing about your point that doesn’t make sense to me is that you’re describing a scenario in which 99% of people suddenly are in the same situation I was.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by sbarre » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 1:59 PM UTC

snarf21 wrote: post #340

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

We need to recognize the reason. It is about scale and cost. Pseudo-art and pseudo-writing can be done completely in the cloud and scale easily. Having a robot to fold even a single towel requires millions of physical robots instead of dozens of servers. Physical products are hard to scale and they break more easily plus they have to live in an uncontrolled invironment.

I think you're missing the point of that statement a bit.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by mensetmanusman » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:00 PM UTC

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

We don’t currently have manufacturing scale and precision to make this work.

AI is in the thing.

It’s too expensive to take it out of the thing and put it in the world.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by mensetmanusman » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:01 PM UTC

fullshark wrote: post #333

skybrian wrote: post #321

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The idea that we no longer need labor is preposterous. Where are the machines to take care of children or the sick, or to build and maintain housing? What kind of science fiction world do you think you live in?

The idea that those jobs can only be done by desperate individuals so society needs desperate individuals is your logic here. I am not sure I can even counter it, I lack the imagination to see an alternative.

Helping people is not desperate work. It’s meaningful.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by mentalgear » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:03 PM UTC

Disappointed, until now DeepMind seemed like genuinely being a company working on important, AGI-directed models. Not the latest money-grabbing automation. Might be Google's influence. Most probably.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by vonneumannstan » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:07 PM UTC

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

Unfortunately the things we think make us human turn out to be trivial to copy and drudgery might be our true destiny. Moravec's paradox writ large.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by WillAdams » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:12 PM UTC

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

Or even have a prompt work on multiple files --- why isn't there an LLM front-end which will accept as input a folder of files, and then run a working/tested prompt on each file in that folder, then return the collected output as a single process/result?

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by sambapa » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:12 PM UTC

vonneumannstan wrote: post #346

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

Unfortunately the things we think make us human turn out to be trivial to copy and drudgery might be our true destiny. Moravec's paradox writ large.

Have you heard that AI music? It's absolute shite. AI is a much better boilerplate coder than a musician.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by eth0up » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:15 PM UTC

As a musician with infirmities and other hindrances, I have dreamed of this for many years. Consider the DJ, particularly the variety that remixes music. While a skill in itself to manage the h/s/ware, such an artist is largely exhibiting their taste in music, excerpting, rearranging and altering existing music to accomplish a sound otherwise missing. I've found many such remixed versions vastly superior to the originals.

Now imagine, without mastering a specific instrument or skill, you can now create the music in/of your own mindspace, which for me is rarely the music I hear, and often a deviation of what I do hear.

I'm sure this isn't quite what's being offered yet, but every time I grasp my instruments with my trademark touch of inevitable futility, I hope I make it to a time when I can produce what my lack of virtues presently prohibits. It's not the physical acrobatics or mathematical showcasing of great music that I want - it's the end result of the music itself.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by TheOtherHobbes » Fri, Apr 25, 2025, 2:32 PM UTC

haswell wrote: post #313

giraffe_lady wrote: post #310

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This is what they keep telling us. My hunch is that people will find plenty of "work" to do in their families, their communities, in creative pursuits. Let's find out.

My point is that I was firmly in the “I want to retire early” category, found myself with the means to do so, and that this wasn’t theoretical for me. But the thing I imagined is not the reality that I found. I realize “they” have other motives for convincing people such a future is a problem. But that doesn’t remove what I truly believe would be a hellish reality for many. I’m all for pushing society in a less work-…

If you switch from (forced) workaholism and burnout to the opposite, you're going to have whiplash. And perhaps PTSD.

I think the concept of personal freedom is hugely misunderstood. The US model seems to be some combination of wealth, privilege, and absence of social/financial obligation to others.

But we're seeing over and over that the people who attain that kind of freedom are often deeply unhappy, and sometimes deeply toxic.

Which is reflected all the way through work culture.

What would a non-toxic economy and work culture look like? Not just emotionally and personally, but in terms of social + economic structures and collective goals?

I've not seen many people asking the question. There's been a lot of oppositional "Definitely not like this", much of which is fair and merited.

But not so much "We could do try this completely new thing instead." Answers usually fall back to standards like "community" but there doesn't seem to be much thinking about how to combine big planet-wide goals with individual challenges and achievements with supportive social middleware that has to bridge the two.