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Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by gexla »

wcarss wrote: post #207
jeeeb wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After comparing Gemini Pro and Claude Sonnet 3.7 coding answers side by side a few times, I decided to cancel my Anthropic subscription and just stick to Gemini.

Google has killed so many amazing businesses -- entire industries, even, by giving people something expensive for free until the competition dies, and then they enshittify hard. It's cool to have access to it, but please be careful not to mistake corporate loss leaders for authentic products.

It's not free. And it's legit one of the best models. And it was a Google employee who was among the authors of the paper that's most recognized as kicking all this off. They give somewhat limited access in AIStudio (I have only hit the limits via API access, so I don't know what the chat UI limits are.) Don't they all do this? Maybe harder limits and no free API access. But I think most people don't even know about AIStudio.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by voxic11 »

energy123 wrote: post #286
qwertox wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just be aware that if you don't add a key (and set up billing) youre granting Google the right to train on your data. To have persons read them and decide how to use them for training.

I thought if you turn off App Activity then that's good enough to protect your data?

Nope, not if you are in the US https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/terms#data-use-unpaid

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by redox99 »

zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

I've had many disappointing results with gemini 2.5 pro. For general queries possibly involving search, chatgpt and grok work better for me.

For code, gemini is very buggy in cursor, so I use Claude 3.7. But it might be partly cursor's fault.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by gundmc »

dr_kiszonka wrote: post #166
zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

I was a big fan of that model but it has been replaced in AI Studio by its preview version, which, by comparison, is pretty bad. I hope Google makes the release version much closer to the experimental one.

The AI Studio product lead said on Twitter that it is exactly the same model just renamed for clarity when pricing was announced

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by roygbiv2 »

Nihilartikel wrote: post #202
arnaudsm wrote: post #6

Gemini flash models have the least hype, but in my experience in production have the best bang for the buck and multimodal tooling. Google is silently winning the AI race.

100% agree. I had Gemini flash 2 chew through thousands of points of nasty unstructured client data and it did a 'better than human intern' level conversion into clean structured output for about $30 of API usage. I am sold. 2.5 pro experimental is a different league though for coding. I'm leveraging it for massive refactoring now and it is almost magical.

Isn't it better to get gemini to create a tool to format the data? Or was it in such a state that that would have been impossible?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by ModernMech »

jsnell wrote: post #181
ModernMech wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been continually disappointed. I've been told it's getting exponentially better and we won't be able to keep up with how good they get, but I'm not convinced. I'm using them every single day and I'm never shocked or awed by its competence, but instead continually vexxed that isn't not living up to the hype I keep reading. Case in point: there was a post here recently about implementing a JS algorithm that highli…

Even as a human programmer I don't actually understand your description of the problem well enough to be confident I could correctly guess your intent. What do you mean by "highlight as you scroll"? I guess you want a single heading highlighted at a time, and it should be somehow depending on the viewport. But even that is ambiguous. Do you want the topmost heading in the viewport? The bottom most? Depending on scrol…

> Even as a human programmer I don't actually understand your description of the problem well enough to be confident I could correctly guess your intent.

Yeah, you understand what I meant. The code Gemini gave you implements the behavior, and the AI I used gave me pretty much the same thing. There's a problem with the algorithm tho -- if there's a heading too close to the bottom of the page it will never highlight. The page doesn't exhibit the bug because it provides enough padding at the bottom.

But my point wasn't that it couldn't one-shot the code; my point was that I couldn't interrogate it into giving me code that behaved as I wanted. It seemed too anchored to the solution it had provided me, where it said it was offering fixes that didn't do anything, and when I pointed that out it apologized and proceeded to lie about fixing the code again. It appeared to be an infinite loop.

I think what's happened here is the opposite of what you suggest; this is a very common tutorial problem, you can find solutions of the variety you showed me all over the internet, and that's essentially what Gemini gave you. But being tutorial code, it's very basic and tries not to implement a more robust solution that is needed in production websites. When I asked AI for that extra robustness, it didn't want to stray too far from the template, and the bug persisted.

Maybe you can coax it into getting a better result? I want to understand how.

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Post by julianeon »

blueyes wrote: post #229
jeeeb wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After comparing Gemini Pro and Claude Sonnet 3.7 coding answers side by side a few times, I decided to cancel my Anthropic subscription and just stick to Gemini.

One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower complexity ceiling, but it can automatically find and search files, and figure out how to fix a syntax error fast.

Related:

Only Claude (to my knowledge) has a desktop app which can directly, and usually quite intelligently, modify files and create repos on your desktop. It's the only "agentic" option among the major players.

"Claude, make me an app which will accept Stripe payments and sell an ebook about coding in Python; first create the app, then the ebook."

It would take a few passes but Claude could do this; obviously you can't do that with an API alone. That capability alone is worth $30/month in my opinion.

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Post by ashu1461 »

One place where I feel gemini models lag is function calling and predicting correct arguments to function calls, is there a benchmark which scores models on the basis of this ?

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Post by rgoulter »

zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

The 1 million token context window also means you can just copy/paste so much source code or log output.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by julianeon »

deanmoriarty wrote: post #178

Genuine naive question: when it comes to Google HN has generally a negative view of it (pick any random story on Chrome, ads, search, web, working at faang, etc. and this should be obvious from the comments), yet when it comes to AI there is a somewhat notable “cheering effect” for Google to win the AI race that goes beyond a conventional appreciation of a healthy competitive landscape, which may appear as a bit of a…

It's been a while since they won something the "old" Google way: by building a superior product that is #1 on its merits.

In that sense Gemini is a throwback: there's no trick - it's objectively better than everything else.

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