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Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by hypercube33 »

twilo wrote: post #217
tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

Is it better than plexamp?

I use and like plexamp but I also think it's a low bar to set; Winamp 2 streaming from a file share is a better UX experience and less work than the funky ux Plex and plexamp has.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by jjice »

armSixtyFour wrote: post #149
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I would have agreed with you 3 years ago. But now not so much. Spotify "Radio" feature just tends to want to give me music I've already listened to over new music. Whatever algorithm they are using has waaaay overfit to what I have already liked. There used to be curated playlists done by humans, now almost everything is "made for you by Spotify" playlists which, have the exact same issue as the radio stations, sudde…

Anecdata incoming, but to offer an alternative view, I would really love to not use Spotify anymore since they change things constantly in ways I don’t like, but their music recommendations are fantastic for me.

Their generated playlists are great, and they do a good job recommending playlists I’d like from other users as well. And while I hate the format, their music shorts actually give me consistently good music. I just hate that it’s in the TikTok swipe style.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by c64d81744074dfa »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #153
makeitdouble wrote: post #66

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Do you use a local client that accepts caching/offline playback of the content ? I'm looking through the android clients and none seem to fully embrace keeping the most played tracks on device ("offline mode"). Tempo[0] has in on the wip list, while StreamMusic straight removed in it the latest update[1], so as of now it looks like a pretty tough feature to get. Listening to music in remote places is nice, and that w…

Every couple of years, I buy a used Sansa Clip+ from ebay to replace the previous one that suffered physical damage. I transfer over the 128GB/256GB sd card. Voila - entire music collection in the size of a box of matches, no need for data connections, or a working phone, or fumbling with a screen when I'm working out.

SHHHHHH!!!! Don't tell people that or pretty soon we won't be able to find them any more! ;)

Seriously though, seconded, but also install Rockbox: https://www.rockbox.org/

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by hypercube33 »

wormius wrote: post #168
jjulius wrote: post #132

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It's a "YMMV" situation, because... I don't want that. At all. It's algorithmic and there's nothing stopping artists and labels paying for placement in there. I don't want that. I am a musician, and a DJ, and I've been digging deep through artist and label catalogues on my own for decades. The process of discovery via my preexisting routes is far more fruitful, enjoyable and rewarding than lazily letting an algorithm…

I miss last.fm and audioscrobbler so much. Yeah it's still there, but it's not like the old days, which was far better for feeling like I was in touch with other users, finding tons of new music, and not hearing yet another Home Depot ad. I half wonder if Spotify US is one of those harbingers of doom for the old web in the same way I think of Twitter and iPhone/SPAs/The Stream UI.

Fun fact since I already ranted about last.fm being the bees knees when it integrated with Spotify - my wife looked up on lastfm music compatibility after we first met and her and a Russian lady are the only 3 above like 75% similar taste in music. Small world but also wild that it's not so small.

Big streamers cater to most people's interests of music and are probably satisfactory for them but for us weirdos in music last.fm and it's music genome thing were amazing.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by mon_ »

nicoco wrote: post #203
dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

I'll argue music algorithmic recommendation on these platforms is a bad thing anyway. First, the algorithm is opaque, so it can push stuff to you because the platform decide it has to get the spotlights. Maybe the label/producer/musician paid for it or whatever you want to imagine that is even worse. It is a well-known phenomenon that if some music is pushed to your ears, you'll end up appreciate it most often than n…

What are the musical equivalents to Kit-Kat and meth?

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by hypercube33 »

Affric wrote: post #295
lolive wrote: post #178

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Spotify « radio » is the best reason to listen to real radios ! [honestly the DJs on most of the radios I listen to are insanely skilled !] Btw, is there somewhere a search engine to know when a given [set of] track was played where, in the internet radio world?

100% No algorithm has been able to be able to be as weird but consistent as a community radio DJ. The radio can still surprise and delight like little else. All the tech companies have been able to replicate is the disappointment. Not to say never but people’s great advantage here is that they’re people.

I respectfully disagree. If you're into classic rock those stations are pivoting around here to 90s and 2000s rock since that's "classic" now. Then you're left with ButtRock stations that play mostly the same thing every day at the same times in the same order. The best radio we had in our area was a college station that has an hour or two of stuff I'm interested in or as close to a legal pirate radio you can get (100w tower) that shut down - THAT was amazing. Had a ton of DJs who played things they liked.

Outside of rock you're left with automated pop and country stations who have computerized playlists.

note - I'm in the Midwest US.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by nsteel »

Sheeny96 wrote: post #317

If there were a recommendation algorithm plugin for Jellyfin (even if it just calls out to the API of some existing external web service), that might pull me over. Until that's the case, the recommendations will keep me on Spotify

Assuming there's last.fm/listenbrainz reporting plugins for Jellyfun, then both those services will provide recommendations based on what you have listened to. Maybe not as good as Spotify's but it's something.

https://listenbrainz.org/my/recommendations

https://www.last.fm/player/station/user/{username}/recommend...

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by nsteel »

dankwizard wrote: post #95

This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library. A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking "Radio", which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e "Popular songs, deep cuts" or specific e…

> I don't browse any music forums and so apart from my favourite bands, I have no idea on when artists I like release new albums and would not encounter them on a self hosted solution,

Music Brainz provides this at https://test.listenbrainz.org/explore/fresh-releases/

There's also Music Butler: https://www.musicbutler.io/

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by bergon »

tastysandwich wrote: post #141

For music, Navidrome is superior. It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home. The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly. It's been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whats…

I've never tried NordVPN Meshnet, but just want to add an alternative I've fallen in love with: Tailscale. It's amazingly simple to set up and use. Today all my devices are connected to each other, and my jellyfin service is reachable through my chromecast, phone, computer and Ipad. As well as my filehost VPS.

I've been self-hosting for quite awhile now, and these days it's such a breeze.

Re: Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

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Post by meonkeys »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #45

I really want to use Jellyfin for music, but unfortunately it separates albums based on directories and not by reading the metadata, so if you have an album separated into "Disc 1", "Disc 2", etc, each disc shows up as a separate album. I really don't want to restructure my library just for Jellyfin, so I basically can't use it.

Pretty sure it does use metadata and folder/filename as fallback.

Musicbrainz Picard is great for normalizing metadata for music files/albums, maybe give that a shot.

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