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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by runsWphotons »

sc68cal wrote: post #223
dale_huevo wrote: post #132

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> This hasn't hit mainstream media yet. It should have by now. Is it typical for the media to write stories when spies surreptitiously sneak out of a country? I speculate this guy was long gone before the feds kicked in his door. Assuming he and his wife were indeed spies of course. Right now we cannot confirm or disconfirm that, but the narrative fits it so far. > Disappearing people is not something the US governme…

You're asking someone for sources, after accusing someone of espionage with no sources?

Tons of people above are suggesting he was "disappeared" with no sources (and no real cases of this really happening otherwise, recent cases have all had paperwork). Seems fair to ask and suggest a more likely alternative.

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Post by lokar »

tptacek wrote: post #5

The fact pattern doesn't fit well with ICE, because Indiana University cooperated with the investigation (and struck him and his wife from their pages). The track record of espionage investigations against people of Chinese origin is not great, so it's not a defense of this investigation to say that that the details rhyme with that rather than immigration.

Green card holders are now subject to arbitrary revocation of that status, lengthy detention and deportation.

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Post by lucasban »

LastTrain wrote: post #294
TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #138

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It's clearly not true that everyone is properly documented. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/lawyers-advocates-say-48...

That someone is not documented doesn’t mean you get to treat everyone that way. That someone is not documented doesn’t mean they have no rights for that matter.

I think in this case they are referring to the documentation of what happened to them, not their immigration status

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Post by jimmydoe »

dathinab wrote: post #206
jimmydoe wrote: post #98

Know little about this case, but given what happened with China Initiative in Trump I, I’m genuinely surprised there are still Chinese professors not leaving or preparing to leave US. 200+ lost jobs, at least one suicide, if that still not ring alarm for these Chinese-born professionals, their IQ may not match up the tenure I assume.

but where to leave to? Many of them are basically refuges which did use their nogen to be able to escape the Chinese regime and find a home without technically being refuges at any point. Some grew up in the US. Many have family and children in the US, thus which very well might be US citizens. For many they do not have a place to go, the US is their only home. Even for thus which where involved in spying not all of…

> Even for thus which where involved in spying not all of them did so of their free choice.

You are implying some of the China Initiative victims were spies. However, based on this wikipedia page[1], none of them are.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Initiative

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Post by csomar »

diggan wrote: post #109
Animats wrote: post #74

This hasn't hit mainstream media yet. It should have by now. Disappearing people is not something the US government is allowed to do. Here's Xiaofeng Wang's bio on the Indiana University site.[1] Google Scholar.[2] Archived version of home page at Indiana University.[3] If anybody has a PACER account, please check there. [1] https://alliance.iu.edu/members/member/8580.html [2] https://scholar.google.com/citations?use…

> Disappearing people is not something the US government is allowed to do Since when? Been happening for a long time, here is just one recent-ish (2021) report: > FFI documented 698 enforced disappearances of immigrants in Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) custody between 2017 and 2021 https://www.freedomforimmigrants.org/news/2021/8/30/detained... Has to be countless more that aren't documented, especially w…

These are not people that HN/Academia identifies with and thus they are not considered people with full rights. See how the goals moved from rights for every single person, to rights for documented migrants, to rights for citizens only. We are now moving faster to rights for people similar to you but make no mistake this will end up with rights for no one but the king.

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Post by Canada »

ranger_danger wrote: post #224
slg wrote: post #108

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>Even the most egregious cases, which are very bad, have left a paper trail for lawyers and journalists to follow. How can you be confident in this? Is it possible that you are saying this because the only cases we know about are when they have happened to leave "a paper trail for lawyers and journalists to follow"?

Someone else raised a similar point in another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43524589 Can you name any cases in recent history where someone was "disappeared" or similar by the government (the only part of this we can objectively prove afaik) and then no evidence or other proof of the person's wrongdoing ever came about, and people just forgot about it? I could be mistaken (and please correct me if I'm…

Many cases during the GWOT. People in the wrong place at the wrong time accused of being terrorists, rendered, tortured, held without trial, or tried in secret courts with secret evidence.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/most-guantanamo-detainees-are-...

Anyone taken prisoner must be given an opportunity to be heard, to be able to give evidence that they aren't the right guy.

(To be clear, there's no indication the subjects of this story have been so detained)

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Post by Dylan16807 »

NomDePlum wrote: post #277
lolinder wrote: post #188

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I'm totally in favor of holding the current administration accountable for what they are doing and clamping down on all the authoritarian actions as much as possible. But I'm not in favor of compromising principles to do it. There are plenty of things that they're doing that are documented that are evil. There's no need to waste energy and credibility speculating about things that aren't yet understood or documented,…

There is a point where "benefit of the doubt" is not appropriate though. Personal opinion is that point is past.

There is never a time where it's appropriate to give up benefit of the doubt in general toward an entity. If your starting position is that they most likely did any and every bad thing you can think of, you quickly reach absurdity.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

trod1234 wrote: post #296
YZF wrote: post #251

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_of_the_Holocaust_in_... "Berlin Radio broadcast the mass-execution of Jews in Bialystok and the burning of synagogues in July 1941" > It was only in retrospect that we learned the true horror of the Holocaust. https://www.timesofisrael.com/how-the-world-discovered-the-n... The full scale wasn't known but there was enough evidence something was going on. I'm really not seeing mu…

> I'm really not seeing much similarity between that period of history and this period. Unemployment ~30%, inflation/stagflation, and German industry being co-opted by multinational corporations laying people off. > Then US Unemployment 1 in 4 out of work, co-opted by corporations, laying people off and price fixing basic goods and services. Reichstag Fire Attack blamed on the Communists. > January 6th followed by As…

Where in the world did you get that unemployment rate?

And some of the things you're listing are similar in scale while others are orders of magnitude different. A giant list like that is a mess.

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