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Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

TL;RD: to make housing affordable you need to make everyone poor - not just the renters, but owners too.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Berkeley, CA in the 80s (90s?) a lady went into the hospital for an extended stay and rented her place. She had a verbal agreement that they'd leave when she got out. She got out, they didn't leave. Last I heard about the case it was 10 years later and they were still there. Yeah, I know, Berkeley. Rent control was very anti-landlord. But "rents have total rights as long as they pay" sounds too harsh to me.

I feel for the lady, but the problem is that she didn’t get it in writing. Renter protections are almost orthogonal.

> Renter protections are almost orthogonal.

You think something other than renter protections was stopping her from kicking her squatter out?

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I am a YIMBY (in the form of an incremental upzoning advocate), but the problem with the Abundance campaign is that it will do little to affect housing affordability if wealth inequality is not addressed at the same time. The young and the working class increasingly don't have the capital to buy even with an increased supply of housing. Absent that, the new housing units will be bought by entities who have most of th…

Wild that you're getting downvoted. I agree with you. Housing affordability is a wealth inequality problem.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I've been a renter since I was born, and I have rented from both mom and pop landlords and bigger corporations, and I can tell you that whether or not the "small landlords" were good people or not, our financial interests were diametrically opposed. If I did not live in cities with good tenant protections, there would be no incentive whatsoever for the people who owned the place where I lived from providing basic ser…

I have total opposite experiences from renting most of my life. I can't think of a mom and pop landlord I had a poor experience with. Financial incentives generally aligned fairly well for me. I was an extremely low-maintenance tenant, only calling for major repairs like mechanicals or outright dead appliances. I handled all basic maintenance and minor wear and tear myself at every property I rented from a small time…

> I can't think of a mom and pop landlord I had a poor experience with. Financial incentives generally aligned fairly well for me.

I can think of a couple who were absolute nightmares. I can think of a couple others who were an absolute dream. The worst small-time landlord was WAY worse than the worst big property management firm, but the best small-time landlord was far better than the best big property management firm I've been a tenant of.

And yeah, I'm also a low-maintenance tenant. Unless something's broken, I never want to talk to you, nor do I want you in the space that I'm renting. EZ money for them.

> Tenants rights should not include the right to basically be a nuisance and a leech upon society.

The thing about strong tenants' rights laws is they're not protection against reasonable landlords; they are a shield against scumbag landlords who would treat their tenants very poorly.

For example, in San Francisco, someone who stays in a place for thirty days without a lease becomes a month-to-month tenant that requires an eviction to remove. Why? Because scumbag landlords would refuse to provide leases to tenants and toss them out into the streets on a moment's notice.

Similarly, I recall regulation preventing hotels from requiring tenants to check out and then check back in during extended stays. [0] Why? So that scumbag hotel operators can't prevent the long-term rental regulations from taking effect for renters who are -in fact- long-term renters.

To point at an analogous situation: the same rules and regulations that generally prevent cops from putting very, very careful wrongdoers who should be imprisoned (but haven't left enough evidence to prove their wrongdoing) behind bars generally also prevent cops from imprisoning folks who have done nothing wrong just on those cops' say-so.

[0] Though, I'm unable to muster the effort required to locate this regulation.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Your assumptions are wrong. Kamala lost because of inflation during the Biden admin and some related missteps. Also her gender and skin color likely worked against her. Also you're misreading my point, campaigning on these things isn't a panacea, but delivering on them just might be.

The Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act. No one cared. One of the better things a president has done for the country in quite a while, and no one cared, and no one remembers.

The problem is it's not enough to give. You have to show that you're taking from the people who caused the problem.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Instead of getting tangled up in social issues, liberal politicians should be prioritizing housing, infrastructure and government services supporting people's economic activity of all kinds. Delivering better lives for people, and having the courage to stand up to vested interests, from house owners to corporations, would create a huge and lasting political win across a broad section of the electorate.

Democrats are largely controlled opposition. If you ask where democratic power comes from, it comes from campaign donations by America's richest and most powerful people. Bloomberg ran for president under their banner, think about that. At minimum it communicates that the democratic platform is compatible with oligarchs. How are they supposed to wrangle corporate power, when that is exactly where their power comes fr…

The sadder is part is that that reality is a ticking time bomb. It will work until people are so pissed off that the pitchforks come out.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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As someone who owns a second house on a farm that has two rental units in it, I’m skeptical of attempts to expand ‘tenant rights’ in New York. I had a tenant who decided that he did not have to pay the rent, it took months of trying to reason with him, we hired a lawyer and went through the process which took several months, in the end the tenant stayed on a few months past what would have been the eviction date but…

I've been a renter since I was born, and I have rented from both mom and pop landlords and bigger corporations, and I can tell you that whether or not the "small landlords" were good people or not, our financial interests were diametrically opposed. If I did not live in cities with good tenant protections, there would be no incentive whatsoever for the people who owned the place where I lived from providing basic ser…

    > I would love to purchase a home, but even 10 years of a software engineering salary are not enough for that in NYC.
Imagine a 1M USD studio apartment. Is 10% (100K USD) down payment feasible? Usually, banks are happy to lend 90% to people with good jobs and a good credit score.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#348

I've grown a little bit more skeptical of what can realistically be achieved by the passive nature of YIMBY-ism. In Portland, they passed some radical new zoning laws a few years ago that allowed anyone, anywhere the ability to zone ADUs on their property. And the cost to get permits is almost nothing. I have lots of friends and family in the area with property. But not a single one has added an ADU. It seems like it…

the extremely unpopular but logical next step in managing change would be to induce development by increasing property taxes. Basically compel people to move and sell their land to developers who build up the land.

Do you mean vacant land property taxes or property taxes for all real-estate?

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

#349

So libs are going to follow Ezra Klein and Matt Yglesias again; they're really making a serious marketing play for "abundance." Why can't we have our cake and eat it too? Why not make the poor richer and the rich richer? Why can't we have a billion immigrants and raise wages? Meanwhile, they only support policy that makes the rich richer, an endless supply of weak immigrant labor doing gig work, and that assigns guar…

Let’s do the exact same thing we just did when we lost. Surely that’s going to work.

Abundance is the new buzzword after the campaign of “brat” and “joy”.

I hope people will see through this crap and demand better. This website isn’t leaving a good impression with the credulity displayed in the comments. Luckily it’s far from the mainstream.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ideal if you're a landlord, but hell if you're a tenant.

Why would it be hell? In France it can take years to evict people who stop paying rent. So now 90% of all rental contracts have an insurance for non-payments included in the contract. A few bad apples forced every other tenant to pay more in rent just because politicians decided that squatters had more rights than the owners. And god have mercy on your soul if you decide to take back what is yours when you get tired…

    > now 90% of all rental contracts have an insurance for non-payments included in the contract.
This is interesting. I never knew about it. I am surprised that it has never come up on HN before. In Japan, it is similar, but I don't know the history. (If I had to guess, it is probably related to the destroyed economy after the war.) If you have a "rich uncle" or work for a famous company, they can be your rental contract guarantor, but most people pay for third party insurance. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Mostly, it feels like a regressive tax on the poorest.
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