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Moving away from US cloud services

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Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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I think German law makes that impossible - basically you need to assume the government can access your data at any time.

I thought EU privacy laws were better than US laws.

The difference is that in the US, it will sweep it up anyway, and in the EU, it can access it only with a court order.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Proton? Really?[1] Expressing personal opinions without thinking beforehand how they would land, when you're a CEO, is one thing, but the hamfisted attempts at clarification and then the PR team's scrambling afterwards to delete everything was a questionable look at best. Not inspiring confidence.

[1]: https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> there's just no legal compatibility between EU privacy rights and US spying laws.

“EU privacy rights” is bold framing considering what’s been going on with Apple: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/uks-demands-apple-brea...

Honestly the whole article except the “Wrapping up” section can be skipped and you’ll still end up with mostly the same technical takeaways.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> Git repos (it's too difficult) Sourcehut > Startpage uses Google's index. If they have enough users/make enough money, they'll make their own. Ecosia and Qwant (both european search engines) are working together to make their own index. In any case, even if a european is a proxy for an american service, you need to prove that there is a market for an european equivalent for change to happen.

For git there's also Codeberg https://codeberg.org/

+1 for Codeberg. I switched also to them. Theo habe also an alternative for GitHub Pages

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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The biggest elephants in the room are cloud providers, but I didn't find an easy alternative yet (hetzner, ovhcloud). ATM, the idea to the business is sold, that data resides somewhere near by in a datacenter, EU proximity. However, the EU businesses are realising that, well, whole region is at a mercy of one person.

Schwarz Group seems to be getting traction in that space. (stackit)

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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> there's just no legal compatibility between EU privacy rights and US spying laws. “EU privacy rights” is bold framing considering what’s been going on with Apple: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2025/02/uks-demands-apple-brea... Honestly the whole article except the “Wrapping up” section can be skipped and you’ll still end up with mostly the same technical takeaways.

Britain is not in the EU.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Also the CEO is praising the current Republican administration https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660

You're looking at this in black and white. The CEO praised one of the administrations picks for being tough on big tech. While I think he's wrong in his statement on who stands for "the little guys" praising one pick for her stance on big tech does not mean he wholly supports the administration and it's actions.

“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

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Fastmail is based in Australia [1], not Germany. [1]: https://www.fastmail.com/company/about/

Fastmail's servers are apparently located in the United States[1] - and the Netherlands, but there doesn't seem to be a way to know in which country your specific mailboxes are stored. > Our colocation providers could be compelled to give physical access to our servers. Network capturing devices could be installed. And in the worst case an attacker could simply force their way into the datacentre and physically remov…

“Warrantless surveillance” was yesterday's concern, back when Snowden's revelations were in the news.

Today the concern is war, both economic and literal.

From that perspective, I'll gladly use Australian, or Canadian online services, while avoiding using US ones for as much as possible. Note, I don't think it will be long before services like Fastmail will start moving their servers. Again, yesterday the US was an ally, whereas today the writing is on the wall.

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Fastmail's servers are apparently located in the United States[1] - and the Netherlands, but there doesn't seem to be a way to know in which country your specific mailboxes are stored. > Our colocation providers could be compelled to give physical access to our servers. Network capturing devices could be installed. And in the worst case an attacker could simply force their way into the datacentre and physically remov…

Fastmail can't be trusted. Australia has some fairly draconian digital laws that authorities can issue notices requiring developers to assist with an investigation. This can include technical assistance which could require companies to build capability for law enforcement to break the encryption used in their services. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/nov/05/sessi... https://www.404media.co/encrypted-c…

Fastmail can be trusted because it's operated by trustworthy individuals, with a company from a country that's still an ally.

If you don't want surveillance, you'd better not use email.

Re: Moving away from US cloud services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're looking at this in black and white. The CEO praised one of the administrations picks for being tough on big tech. While I think he's wrong in his statement on who stands for "the little guys" praising one pick for her stance on big tech does not mean he wholly supports the administration and it's actions.

“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”

Not all things require an equal reaction. Someone saying "this pick has a good track record" doesn't require the same level of drama as if he had said everything this administration does is awesome.
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