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> and the misleading way it's being compared to a Powerwall, despite not being a comparable product 100% this. I had to read a whole wall of text to get to "it's a really fancy UPS". Definitely places that will be useful, but I think a lot of people here are far more excited by the possibilities of products like Powerwall which move us towards a greener future than by large, stylish batteries.
Solar & wind are variable, we need more storage on the grid to charge when these sources are abundant and discharge when they aren’t. Pila offers the same greener future that Powerwall does & makes it so everyone (home owner, renter, condo, or apartment dweller) can be part of this greener future.
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Bullshit on the fridge. A modern day french door uses almost 2 kWh per day at the mid range model level (which really isn't that different from older top freezers). Higher end fridges use even more. The 1.6 kWh capacity isn't enough for 2-3 days.
> 2kWh per day. That’s a lot of energy! What fridge do you have?
https://www.energysage.com/electricity/house-watts/how-many-...
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Do you have frequent enough power outages that waiting an extra minute for tea is a concern?
> Do you have frequent enough power outages that waiting an extra minute for tea is a concern? I’ve had ten power outages in the past six months, one mile from an international airport. I’ve lived through hundreds hours of power outages due to PG&E’s fucking incompetence in the past ten years. You’ll have to judge for yourself whether that justifies my comment - but, if you were a startup considering a 240V outlet on…
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#344I parted a 2.56 kWh secondary-battery system at $773.66 for my business' self-driving computer product, but it's not one complete unit or as sophisticated as this product. It seems like a decent price for what you're getting. Especially in terms of space consumed.
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#346>1.6 KWH CAPACITY looks at fridge in marketing photo with estimated 2 days of life Bullshit on that one. A modern day french door fridge will use 1.6 kWh per day. Even more if they have bullshit features.
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#347the website doesnt even display any text when running noscript on. how energy efficient is your website? is it really needed to run loads of scripts to display mere text?
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#348- Bluetti Elite 200 V2 portable power station: $999, 2073 Wh LiFePO4, 2600 W inverter output (120 V only), 1000 W DC input at 60 V max, Bluetooth & Wi-Fi connectivity to app, 53 lbs [1]
- LiTime 51.2V 100 Ah battery: $999 (includes charger), 5120 Wh LiFePO4, local Bluetooth connectivity to app, 82 lbs [2]
TOTAL: $1,998 for 7.2 kWh = $278 / kWh (before 30% tax credit). Plus tax and a few hundred more for the random bits and bobs.
Here's a video that talks about using the big bulk LiFePO4 battery to extend the power station: [3] This setup can supply 2600 W for about an hour (limited by the Bluetti's inverter and internal battery capacity), or 1000 W average for 7 hours (limited by the Bluetti's DC input). Limited to 120 V loads only, of course.
For me, this made the recent outage smooth sailing, running a few hundred watts average load for furnace / fridge / small conveniences. A friend nearby had pipes freeze and burst ($$$ repair and highly inconvenient) during a 20-hour winter power outage. It was nice to have a longer buffer to get a good night's sleep and know that everything would be fine even if utility power didn't come back quickly!
I think the original poster here is latching on to a basic issue that the consumer-grade UPS companies (APC, CyberPower) are being slow to adopt LiFePO4 batteries. At the same time, the "portable power station" companies (Bluetti, Anker Solix, Ecoflow, etc) have been recklessly marketing that they have UPS functionality, without delivering on that until recently. Be careful if you buy one: many of these portable power stations will not turn back on their AC output unattended if they fully discharge before the utility power comes back on! Just recently, they are starting to roll this out on some models: Bluetti calls this option "System Switch Recovery", and Ecoflow calls it "AC Always On" -- and neither are enabled by default!
And I 100% recognize that I'm in the tiny minority willing to combine these products together to get a lower overall $ / kWh. But maybe you are too :)
[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCJV9LTB [2] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DG9BDB36 [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ODIF2EfsUA
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#350Lmk when it can power my 240V HVAC and Well pump otherwise it’s just a toy UPS