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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Also you can donate directly for the kamikaze drones here: https://www.sternenkofund.org/donate They are extremely effective in countering russian troops. One drone costs as little as 500$

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Agreed.

Russia can pull out of their invasion literally any time.

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Yeah, man. I have emigrated from Russia to EU five years ago and it is heartbreaking to see the developed US and some European countries go through the same bullshit we were going since 2011. Like half the country starts living in wild, completely imaginary world, and you can always tell what is the current agenda of the propaganda machine just by talking to some relatives who fell through that rabbit hole

You're talking about domestic propaganda. The parent blames external propaganda, instead of doing something or at least admitting that the domestic propaganda pipeline backfired. It's usually extremely hard to make people see their own issues. It's always someone else, not them. Yes, in Russia it happened largely in the same way, and it started much earlier than in 2011 (in 2012 we already had literal Putin cultists…

I agree mostly, but the mechanisms of domestic and external propaganda are basically the same, it's just that autocratic regimes have a "home field advantage" domestically via repressions. And yes, it started before 2011, but this is approximately the year when IMO the tide really started to change for worse. Before that there were some more or less free press and a semblance of political discourse in the country, but since the peak of election fraud protests it progressively got weaker, and by now it feels like the "opposition" is completely destroyed

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People would say Budapest Memorandum give Ukraine the rights to its 2,000 Soviet nuclear weapons. That's not what it said. People would say that the same memorandum says Ukraine security is absolute. Not that either. People would say in 2014, US installed new Ukraine government via propaganda. Looks dubious too. People would say Ukraine shut down 11+ political parties who opposed current Ukraine government; some part…

Just so you know.

The Ukranian constitution states no elections during war.

All political opponents have come out and said we will hold elections after victory. Nobody is against postponement.

Ukraine has had healthy consistent elections since the Russian backed government was booted out.

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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As all conspiracy theories, this provides a simple explanation to circumstances that otherwise require complex answers, but it holds no water. The KGB was ineffective and inept. It didn't reach the masses, it didn't influence public opinion. Of course a former KGB agent selling his story must tell you otherwise, but most of these guys spent their whole career feigning successes to their superiors.

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post #112

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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Both parties are. Republicans support Israel and the genocide they are doing for example. So don't have any illusion that Trump and his party are doves.

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Trump cited Russian propaganda of Zelensky‘s 4% approval rate. So where did he get that from?

You think random factoids are driving Trump’s viewpoint? Trump overthrew the Bush dynasty by eviscerating Jeb over the Iraq War: https://youtu.be/H4ThZcq1oJQ?si=Y3nWQeiui8KJhj8b . Now, neocons want to chalk that up as bad execution of an otherwise sound ideology. But you don’t think that Trump’s supporters could genuinely disagree with that assessment—think that the underlying problem is that america is too willing t…

I think personal animosities drive Trump's viewports, otherwise you wouldn't call a president a dictator because he didn't held an election during a war what's exactly that what the Ukrainian constitution says.

You wouldn't appease a dictator who imprisoned and killed his opposition.

And Putin wouldn't attack openly, nowadays you attack per online sabotage, something the US will see rising, or won't see because Trump suspended the cyber operations.

Strangely enough he has no problem sending money to Israel after Hamas attacked them, despite the Israel army is much more powerful than the Hamas.

So Trump has no problem being involved in wars he knows his supported side will win or has already won.

Trump gos for the easy wins, he is a low-hanging fruit harvester.

Same with DOGE. Firing people doesn't reduce bureaucracy, changing laws and regulations does. But that's not what they do.

BTW people said the same about the likelihood of Putin attacking Ukraine, or about the likelihood of Ukraine withstanding the attack more than weeks. Seems like likelihood is a bad measure for reality.

And pissing of your allies and victim blaming the president of an invaded country is bad politics, unless you are the villain.

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Also you can donate directly for the kamikaze drones here: https://www.sternenkofund.org/donate They are extremely effective in countering russian troops. One drone costs as little as 500$

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It would be one thing if there was a clear policy and adherence to it. In that case, you could discuss and reason in good faith. However there is no such indication that this decision is based on a considered policy. Trump's supporters would say that this is a result of not wanting the US being involved in foreign conflicts. That is a laudable goal, however that is not what is happening here. From the article > On Fr…

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Do you believe statistics Russian bureaucrats invent and compute?

The answer is obviously no, otherwise my comment would not make any logical sense

If you believe neither your comment makes even less sense.
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