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DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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I actually believe the executive branch should actually control the executive branch.

I, on the other hand, would prefer the executive branch to have a modicum of process and transparency when trying to access private information, as opposed to learning of things a week after the fact from leaks.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[dupe]

Yeah 99% is sour grapes from the other team. I like what doge has turned up so far and will give them the benefit of the doubt. My wife is a long time liberal Democrat and even she admits the main problem is Musk is just doing out in the open what is usually done behind closed doors and people don’t like it.

Do you like them turning up a wasteful $8 billion contract that turned out to be $8 million, but they’re a bunch of incompetent ninnies who can’t even verify they have the right number of zeroes in their figures before they tell the world?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

The claims of fraud are a pretext for going into the agencies and making the partisan changes they wanted to make anyway. There's no point asking for a detailed discussion because the whole plan is to use the discussion of fraud as cover for the thing they're actually doing.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

They will twist the narrative and not provide any evidence. I appreciate your request but please don’t be naive. Have you heard of trolling?

There is widespread fraud in the government. It needs to be addressed. There is widespread inefficiency too.

I think the people in DOGE have the skills and access to address it.

I have no evidence that they are doing so, and some evidence of widespread loyalty tests which, while not identical, remind me of how Stalin came to power.

However, absence if evidence is not evidence of absence, and some evidence is not the same as proof.

I have dozens of explanations which fit the facts, and I don't have any way to determine which, if any, is correct.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#345

The moment they had physical access to the system, it was necessary to assume this. It's called an 'evil maid' attack, and of all communities this one should have been blowing the whistle. Loudly, repeatedly, and in open defiance of people who argue that this is a storm in a teacup, a non issue, just another MOT, etc. Especially when you look at the background of the Doge team - 'ex' hackers, 'security specialists',…

It’s not surprising the CEO of YC supports this, he also supports the idea of the network state. This community is now primarily exists to launder Curtis Yarvins galaxy brain ideas.

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The executive branch was intended to be separate from the judicial and the legislative branch, not separate from itself.

And this is why the executive branch was never meant to have as much power as it has today. We've spent the better part of 80 years moving power from legislative to execute and granting executive a whole host of new powers. We made this bed, now it sure seems like Trump is making us sleep in it.

Why do people seem drawn to having a king? What is it in human nature that makes us want a strong man in charge with absolute power?

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will twist the narrative and not provide any evidence. I appreciate your request but please don’t be naive. Have you heard of trolling?

There is widespread fraud in the government. It needs to be addressed. There is widespread inefficiency too. I think the people in DOGE have the skills and access to address it. I have no evidence that they are doing so, and some evidence of widespread loyalty tests which, while not identical, remind me of how Stalin came to power. However, absence if evidence is not evidence of absence, and some evidence is not the…

I bet much of this fraud benefits big donors of both parties.

I doubt they will fix that

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

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post #340
post #320

Related to a comment on a now-flagged subthread: can anyone who believes that DOGE is uncovering fraud please post a reliable reference that gives a specific example of fraud uncovered by DOGE? To be clear, this should be a third-party analysis of some credibility, not DOGE's or Musk's twitter feed or "receipts" website which shows cancelled contracts with no clear link to fraudulent activity.

The government itself self-reports $149B in "improper payments" https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/doge-musk-government-was...

So it was not uncovered by doge? and it is also not simply fraud? „Every year, agency reports posted online document billions in improper payments, which include fraud but also underpayments, duplicate payments, payments to ineligible recipients or for ineligible goods or services.“ (from the article you linked)

Re: DOGE has 'god mode' access to government data

#350

I actually believe the executive branch should actually control the executive branch.

I, on the other hand, would prefer the executive branch to have a modicum of process and transparency when trying to access private information, as opposed to learning of things a week after the fact from leaks.

Is that your preference or what the constitution says?
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