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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by SirMaster »

melvinmelih wrote: post #260
dfabulich wrote: post #123

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

26 hours of battery life but you still have to charge it with a cable (they didn't add MagSafe). This might be a deal breaker for me…

Do you not use a case? Even cheap $20 cases have a magsafe ring in them which would make this work with the magsafe charger puck.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by abnercoimbre »

thebigspacefuck wrote: post #244
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best part about my 12 mini is that it's such a pain to use sometimes on the modern web that it discourages unnecessary browsing. Alas, the battery was already subpar on it and now is quite bad, so I'll probably pick up this SE.

Never felt that way about my 13 mini

Do you still own it? I've kept my 13 mini so far, but I hope the browsing or app experience doesn't degrade anytime soon (battery's still great.)

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by SirMaster »

M3L0NM4N wrote: post #300
melvinmelih wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah but the MagSafe charger I've spent $150 on doesn't work without the magnetic part.

I wonder if one of those MagSafe cases that basically "passthrough" the MagSafe magnets in the phone would work.

Absolutely. Plenty of even cheap cases have the magsafe ring to align the charger and then would work with the magsafe puck just fine.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by pixl97 »

boxed wrote: post #178
fckgw wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a whole factory but whole other tooling, so yes? The chassis is different, the screen is different, the mainboard is different, the layout is different, the battery is different, I think the camera was also different. Only thing shared between the other models was the buttons and the lightning port. It's a huge cost for something that sold (relatively) poorly.

Apple has huge margins, it's not a problem unless you think about margins. Making more money is normally good, even if the margin is slightly lower.

More skus is really really expensive quite often. You can end up with a low run product that is even more expensive than a 'premium' larger/nicer product.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by wilg »

dfabulich wrote: post #123

Check out the battery life! > iPhone 16e has the best battery life ever on a 6.1-inch iPhone, lasting up to six hours longer than iPhone 11 and up to 12 hours longer than all generations of iPhone SE. Their page comparing models claims the new 16e gets "26 hours video playback." iPhone 16e: 26 hours iPhone 16: 22 hours iPhone 15: 20 hours iPhone 14: 20 hours iPhone 13: 19 hours iPhone 12: 17 hours iPhone 11: 17 hours…

Fairly misleading, since according to the comparison on their site (https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone-16,ip...) the slightly-bigger 6.3 inch iPhone 16 Pro gets 27 hours of video playback vs the 16e's 26 hours. (Regular iPhone 16 is 22 though.)

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by nobankai »

bentt wrote: post #196

Looks more and more that Apple is pushing AI inference to the edges, with this and the Mac Mini and it's very suspiciously placed power button which says "No, you don't need to shut this computer off. It has important work to do! (For everyone else)" Will be interesting to see how Apple and Nvidia's approaches to AI compare and contrast over the coming months/years.

Apple and Nvidia have arguably already diverged at the important forks in the road. Nvidia believes in complex GPU/streaming multiprocessor stacks - Apple relies on specialized hardware. Apple used to support a more complex software stack that could enable them to compete with Nvidia, but abandoned it shortly before the crypto craze to focus on NPU hardware.

...and then NPUs sorta did nothing. They run a few tiny models, maybe, but for any "serious" inference tasks Apple will automatically prioritize your 10x more powerful GPU hardware. Oftentimes the GPU is more efficient too, depending on the task.

So now Apple has a choice to make. They can either attempt to scale-up the NPU hardware and leave it on-device as dark silicon 99% of the time, or they can renovate their GPU hardware to support complex GPGPU operations and axe the NPU altogether. Right now it seems like Nvidia has the right idea, Apple just needs to find out how to scale it down as well as they can.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by cynicalpeace »

dylan604 wrote: post #335
cynicalpeace wrote: post #138

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Maybe it could be the Juul to Apple's Phillip Morris? Phones occupy the same space as nicotine in my head, so why not explore that comparison?

Is it the phone or the software that you installed on the phone? You're blaming the horse the bandit rode in on rather than saying that the bandit is the issue.

I'm not "blaming" anyone.

Not sure how you can have the software without the hardware.

Screens are addictive. Why they are addictive is an interesting question- but regardless of the software being used- video games, social media, browsing the web, the fact remains that these activities are all addictive. I suspect it's just because screens are shiny, colorful, interactive objects. It doesn't matter what app you give a baby or a chimp, they will stare at the screen for many hours. TV addiction illustrates my point further.

Anyways, this is all besides my original question. Apple/Google feel like the IBM/HP of old. What shape will the new Apple/Google take?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by crossroadsguy »

HumblyTossed wrote: post #204
JBiserkov wrote: post #152

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$599, same as the Mac Mini M4 :-)

Yeah, but this has a screen built in and you can actually put it in your pocket.

But if you have an older pant that used to store an iPhone of 4.x inch size then it might not be as cozy as you knew it. Just saying.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by megous »

bustling-noose wrote: post #225

Think of the QC modem as an API and that API is limited to what QC wants apple or anyone else using their modem to do. The firmware is pushed by QC and then apple can use it to update it’s modems of QC when it does it’s now updates. Now with C1 that API is designed at apple and in a way that their soc team wants to get the best battery life along. So the modem can be turned off / on updated request data signals etc i…

That's hard to believe. Even Quectel (random Chinese IoT modem manufacturer, which is also using Qualcomm modem SoCs) gets to have Qualcomm modem source code. I know, because they ship it modified with their own AT commands implemented and other changes. If random chinese company can ship modified Qualcomm modem firmware, Apple surely can, too. :D

Massive chunks (millions of lines) of Qualcomm modem firmware (the part running on Hexagon DSP cores) are even leaked on github for anyone to see.

Apple is bound to have uptodate and probably even completely source available Qualcomm firmware at its engineers' fingertips. And they have more leverage than random Chinese IoT manufacturer, to request ability to modify it as they see fit. And they'll certainly have at least the parts that are relevant for the control you're talking about.

The decision most likely comes down to politics (any help optimizing qualcomm modems directly benefits everyone using them, and that's a lot of android phones out there), and not these kinds of technical issues.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Post by crossroadsguy »

Mistletoe wrote: post #229
ksec wrote: post #75

It is an iPhone 16, inside iPhone 14 Body, Single Camera from iPhone 16, with iPhone 14 OLED Screen, Apple Modem, Without UWB, Minus 1 GPU Core on A18, 7.5W MagSafe Charging same as iPhone 14. Wifi 6 instead of Wifi 7 on iPhone 16. However at $599, higher than the rumoured $499 or $549 pricing. iPhone 14 previously at $599 and iPhone SE at $429 are now gone. Getting rid of iPhone 14 and iPhone SE as they are both usi…

I wish they would make a mini version of this, it would be perfect. After the 13 Mini, us small phone lovers are screwed.

You must let go. This not happening anymore. That boat sailed for all OEMs. It will just lead to heartache and defeat and frustration or a combo of these.
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