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Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by promiseofbeans »

dizhn wrote: post #339
g_p wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might find Privacy Pass of interest then - https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-pass.html It should be out in the next day or so.

Awesome. I didn't see much detail about how it works in the page. Something like this would be useful for other sites as well. Is this using an existing technology? (Firefox extension is not found. It's probably not in the store yet. Can't find with search either.)

Looks like they're implementing this, which is also used by Cloudflare Turnstile: https://privacypass.github.io/

The standard has also been published as RFC9578: https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc9578.html

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by ethbr1 »

sillyfluke wrote: post #175
gkbrk wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You think Kagi tracks you, to the risk of killing their business, but Google doesn't track you or collect data about your searches?

yes I do think there is a important difference between google triangulating data, trading data with others and attaching a name to an ip adress by their own efforts without me voluntarily giving them that information for free. And you seem to forget that Google lost a class action suit about incognito mode. And I'd rather sue Google than Kagi. Plus, like 23andme, when times are tough I don't want to think about what…

The difference is the business model.

Today, Kagi has a negative incentive to even historically track user search data (if discovered, their business would be cooked). Consequently, it's very likely they're being honest and don't.

Furthermore, they're building a sustainable business around subscription revenue.

In the event any of the above changes, they still won't have any historical data to share.

As opposed to Google, who keeps things in their vaults until the heat death of the universe.

> And I'd rather sue Google than Kagi.

Ha! You and what European data authority supporting you? Because that's the only way you'd have a chance of making headway.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by edude03 »

I don't understand people who would use kagi (or any search engine) sparringly. If you're already willing to shell out money for a replacement, why wouldn't you use it all the time?

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by a12k »

I am hyper aggressive about cutting monthly services. If I don’t feel I am getting value, or can get the value from somewhere else with a little more work, I cut it. For example I would never, ever pay for YouTube Premium. This has led to a pretty disciplined set of monthly services and low cost. Kagi though is one of the most useful services I have and goes way above and beyond this bar, so keep it around.

To ape someone else’s lament: I can’t take advantage of this because I use it daily.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dotancohen »

jaza wrote: post #205
yreg wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the streaming services did this, I would probably have a lot more of them.

I make the streaming services work like this already. I have neither the time nor the interest in watching anything on streaming most months. I have all my subscriptions cancelled all the time. When I want to watch something badly enough on service x, I sign in, re-activate, get charged for one month, then immediately cancel the subscription. Then watch the thing. Then not get charged again until I want to watch some…

Please tell me that you have at least a Bash script or Selenium workflow for this. It actually sounds like a fun project to abstract and make pluggable. It would probably require maintenance, though.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dotancohen »

elnasca wrote: post #242
bandrami wrote: post #161

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Fifteen years ago people were talking about micropayments per article for news services being just around the corner. What ever happened to that?

When people are confronted with the actual cost, they tend to say no. With a subscription, their head tells them that for 10 €/$ they get an infinite number of articles.

No, they get the articles that _you_ provide. But if _you_ provide only 50% of the interesting articles, as does every other provider, then approaching the ability to access 100% of interesting articles get very expensive. Just getting to 90% of the articles would cost 40€/$. And pushing that to 99% will cost 70€/$.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by dingnuts »

yegg wrote: post #310
thoroughburro wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot to reply in that thread with a justification for saying DDG is not, effectively, just Bing. Would you like to share numbers this time, or back down? ;)

The chatter in search right now is related to AI-assisted answers, and we get 0 of that from Bing. Same with knowledge graph answers before that (which became the most prevalent search module on desktop), 0 from Bing. And same for the most prevalent search module on mobile — local results — 0 from Bing. We have hundreds of team members and millions of lines of code. We’re constantly working on search. In terms of tra…

> The conversation about and innovation in the future of search right now is related to AI-assisted answers

I pay for Kagi and stopped using DDG because of the traditional search. That's the differentiating feature. The conversation around AI assisted answers is mostly hype -- but Kagi has those too, if I want them.

But no, I'm paying because I want traditional search that works, not an AI summary that's half wrong.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by thesuitonym »

7thaccount wrote: post #291
ldoughty wrote: post #261

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Yet Kagi is one of the very very few services I've seen that sends a monthly reminder that they are ABOUT to charge you... And you have time to stop it. Typically I only ever see something like that with shipped goods where they might have to deal with a return + cancellation

That's really nice sounding and comforting. I've been a little on the fence, but Google has become such absolute garbage lately that I've had to frequently use Bing in order to find something that should be one of the first results. This may just be a better model.

Kagi is so much better. You should just try one of the lower tier subscriptions for a while and see what it's like.

Just for warning, you'll still want to use Google as a backup for hyper local results, but generally the experience with Kagi is much better.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by Maken »

efitz wrote: post #2

Kudos for adopting a user friendly billing policy. I would love to see the FTC mandate a policy that prohibits automatic renewal billing if the service hasn’t been used for some time.

That seems unlikely, since soon there will be no FTC policies at all.

Re: Fair Pricing

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Post by vindex10 »

id00 wrote: post #163
s_dev wrote: post #138

I will sign back up for a paid service when funding Russian search engine Yandex is dropped. Many like to forget there is a war.

That's definitely an interesting hill to die on. I can say as a paid Kagi user and regular donator to ВСУ

It's ЗСУ (Збройні Сили України) in Ukrainian

https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B1%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B9...

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