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Post by maxglute »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #320
amlib wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry for the whataboutism, but the US looks more and more hypocrite when they sell themselves as the paragons of democracy and free trade, ready to save the world from authoritarian China but are fine selling AI and AI hardware (and armament, but that's another matter...) to Israel's oppressive regime which clearly uses it to persecute and kill innocent Palestinians. It's all just dirty politics, in the end none of…

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>against Uyghur Muslims

Against Islamic fundmentalist terrorism commited by Uyghur extremist.

Rotating a bunch of Uyghurs through a few months of "reeducation/reradicalization" classes with minimal fatalities and pouring billions to improve regional infra + gdp is orders of magnitude more magnanimous than what happened/is happening in Gaza, or what's left it. It's delulu to think otherwise. It's more kids gloves than US prison industrial complex. And it more or less comprehensively solved the Uyghur extremism and attacks in PRC (100s of attacks over the years with 1000+ fatalities). Muslim world is far better off that PRC has successfully implemented securitization technology to deradicalize, because they have the most to gain from it, that's why there's broad support from Muslim leadership. PRC figured out how to actually eliminate radical terrorism without droning weddings, so of course a bunch of security cameras and Chinese lessons and first world infra has no equivalence to US funding Israel to murder and maim kids and turning most of Gaza into rubble.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by dailykoder »

jvansc wrote: post #62

This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

I write all of my code in english. Even if it's just for me. I am a native german speaker.

It just makes things A LOT easier in terms of debugging, researching, reading examples from documentation, etc etc. I don't even understand my (boomer) colleagues who straight up refuse to learn english and get angry when they can't find solutions with german search input

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by [deleted] »

jvansc wrote: post #62

This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by bryan_w »

ripped_britches wrote: post #147
bryan_w wrote: post #125

This is totally expected when you use AI to build your infrastructure.

I was going to say the opposite, ironic because an LLM would have told them not to do that if they were working closely with one.

With the various ways people setup their dev environment + docker, I imagine there are probably a lot of guides that show you how to set it up insecurely (because it assumes you're connecting from your local network) with a small asterisk at the end saying not to set it up in production like that. Very easy for an LLM to misunderstand.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

maxglute wrote: post #341
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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>against Uyghur Muslims Against Islamic fundmentalist terrorism commited by Uyghur extremist. Rotating a bunch of Uyghurs through a few months of "reeducation/reradicalization" classes with minimal fatalities and pouring billions to improve regional infra + gdp is orders of magnitude more magnanimous than what happened/is happening in Gaza, or what's left it. It's delulu to think otherwise. It's more kids gloves than…

Annexation by a violent dictatorship, cultural suppression, forced reeducation of hundreds of thousands of children separated from their parents, forced sterilizations, forced abortions, labor camps, and large number of deaths isn’t magnanimous. It’s genocide under international law. It is wild that you’re even defending this.

> PRC has successfully implemented securitization technology

Is that the best euphemism you could come up with?

> that's why there's broad support from Muslim leadership

I’m not even sure who you’re talking about, but having military or economic ties distorting things isn’t the same as support. Find me a quote of an Arab leader explicitly supporting the genocide of Uyghurs by the CCP.

> PRC figured out how to actually eliminate radical terrorism without droning weddings

This is a hilarious rebranding of what the CCP/PRC actually did, which is thousands of times worse and larger in scale than the few drone incidents you’re talking about.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

heelix wrote: post #105
rcruzeiro wrote: post #65

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Someone who worked on a non-English environment years ago here: sometimes you do use the local language in some contexts, but, more often than not, you end up using English for the majority of stuff since it's a bit off-putting to mix another language with the English of programming languages and APIs.

Our US company sent me to France to help out with an implementation. The guy I worked with spoke very little English and my French is terrible. Both of us had done Latin, however - so the comments were hilarious as we used that as our common link. One of those projects I'd expect to show on the daily WTF at some point. I did try my hand at a translation tool, as it was all i18n up proper. Watched one guy blow coffee…

Isn't it true that schoolboys in many countries would learn Latin 100+ years ago? I suppose it would've been used sometimes in international communication?

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by 0xDEAFBEAD »

ninetyninenine wrote: post #332
etrautmann wrote: post #328

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Can you provide an example?

First, we create an AbstractFactory to generate objects that conform to our standardized output structure, ensuring extensibility in case "Hello, World!" ever needs additional variants. The Singleton manages our PrintManager, enforcing a single, controlled point of access to the output stream while Double-Checked Locking ensures thread-safe initialization. Dependency Injection provides our PrintHandler with a flexibl…

In the English-speaking world, what you're describing is referred to as "enterprise software".

See e.g. FizzBuzz Enterprise Edition https://github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpris...

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by scheme271 »

jvansc wrote: post #62

This is probably an incredibly stupid, off-topic question, but why are their database schemas and logs in English? Like, when a DeepSeek dev uses these systems as intended, would they also be seeing the columns, keys, etc. in English? Is there usually a translation step involved? Or do devs around the world just have to bite the bullet and learn enough English to be able to use the majority of tools? I'm realizing no…

That's pretty much it. Even stuff developed in other countries tends to be in English. For example, Lua was created in Brazil but it's primarily in English. Or Ruby, it was created by a japanese dev but I don't think it really supported japanese for a while.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by [deleted] »

haeffin wrote: post #209
maitola wrote: post #207

How do we know for sure that DeepSeek is not actually trained on Nvidia chips? Did someone outside of China replicated the training from scratch (Spending $6M)?

They themselves said it was trained on NVIDIA chips, so I’m not sure where you got that it wasn’t. It was trained on the less capable versions sold for the Chinese market.

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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by kgeist »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #298
sho_hn wrote: post #255

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> How is this a "threat". Given how closely major US tech companies are now affiliated and partnered with the US Federal government, arguably the direct potential threat from them to US citizens may well be higher than from across a very big pond. People trot out "I'd rather our guys spy on me than them" a lot, but that's putting a lot of faith in your local government. Conversely, who do you think has more to fear f…

DeepSeek is more affiliated and partnered with the CCP than US companies are with the US government. Their LLM includes literal government mandated censorship and propaganda. Their CEO met with the premier the other day. And obviously the CCP will be using this tech for military applications very soon. But Chinese citizens themselves will also be further controlled and suppressed through the extensive use of AI and r…

Tbh their censorship is pretty superficial. I asked about the Tiananmen square events in Russian and it answered in full detail. ChatGPT refuses to talk about "sensitive" topics in any language.
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