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Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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The case in my link clearly shows that many people have a different opinion.

You would rather your phone shut off?

I would rather have the right to know what happens with "my" phone and choose my own action. The result was that non-technical people thought the phone was too old and needed replacement.

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Apple is no where near as invasive as Google. Most sites on the Internet phone home to Google. Here are some examples: https://securepubads.g.doubleclick.net/ https://news.google.com/swg/js/v1/swg.js - I found these on the Washington Post's web site. https://fonts.gstatic.com/s/opensans/v20/cJZKeOuBrn4kERxqtaU... https://www.googletagmanager.com/static/service_worker/51n0/... - I found these on New Egg's home page. h…

You will get tracked by those even if you use an Apple device. The key difference between Android and iOS is that Android gives users the ability not to be tracked. iOS (even MacOS) doesn't even let you uninstall Apple News. iOS won't let you get your location or install an app without telling Apple. It won't even let you run a browser other than Safari, which has known data leaking vulnerabilities. User control is t…

Apple does it one way, Google does the same thing but another way. Instead of locking everything down, preventing you to use any other browser than safari for instance, they push you to use their spyware. Android might be open source, but the Google play services are not and if you ever tried to do anything without them, you'd know it's impossible.

Both tracks you by forcing you to use their app that works as spyware.

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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apple is an advertising company too. what's the alternative?

Apple also has an advertising company. And they track you, but they get money by selling you stuff mostly. I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates, try to upsell me every time updates are installed. I have no ads on the apps I use. They are quite happy for you to fork over gobs of money and call it a day. Googles primary source of income is ads. All this stuff they do is the primary way…

Yea, Apple's advertising business is a non-profit public good venture right?

I do my part to support Chinese factory workers by purchasing the latest iPhone™

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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I'm semi homeless and the forced Pixel 4a battery update made my phone unusable and I'm in a state of tears. What can I do? Reddit deleted my post (I am hoping it's not because of Google employees) I don't want to get too long into what happened in my life, but I had a Pixel 4a and everything was running great. Even when I was on the streets homeless I was able to charge it. I'm still struggling in and out, and appar…

Get a cheap flip phone to receive call and make them.

When you got enough money, buy a phone. Not Google's one obviously. And transfer everything from the pixel to the new.

Keep the pixel for the incoming lawsuit.

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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> I’m deep into the Apple ecosystem system and they don’t force updates My iPad is pretty naggy to install updates, moreso than my Pixel phone even. iOS doesn't automatically update like Android does, but if anything that seems less like it's because Apple disagrees with that and more because their update system is so shit they can't get away with it. It's inexcusably slow to apply updates. > try to upsell me every t…

So if they hadn’t push the update to throttle your phone when the battery could no longer run at full speed would that have been better?

"Your phone battery has degraded and cannot run the CPU at full speed. Please replace the battery."

this dead simple warning message + a switch to toggle CPU throttling is all anyone ever wanted.

However that would require them to respect their users' intelligence - not Apple's style.

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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You can run this: adb shell cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/serial_number Requires adb: https://developer.android.com/tools/adb

Merci! Yep looks like my phone is affected. I guess using lineage means it's safe?

It means you should try to get your 120€/$100 voucher or free battery replacement :-)

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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So are you saying that batteries don’t degrade over time causing random cut offs? And if that were the case, how do you explain this as far as France? https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/7/21127984/apple-iphone-batt...

Battery do degrade over time, but the phone speed nerf was spread to many phones were battery degradation was far too little to cause the kind of disruption you're talking about. A theoretical concern that was marginal at best in the actual fleet of phone was used as an excuse for shady behavior (And that shady behavior got them a fine in France before they reverted the patch here). Also, I don't understand why you'r…

It was never “reversed” anywhere according to your citation. They added a setting to let you turn it off.

It wasn’t a theoretical concern. Phones were shutting down. Again this is physics.

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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This wasn't a buggy update. It was announced ahead of time via email, including compensation options.

I’m just going by the article, which describes it as a “surprise update” that “came out of nowhere”. Am I missing something?

Are you saying Google announced that they were going to nerf your phone beforehand?

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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I'd be interested in acquiring a Pixel 4a from someone who doesn't want theirs anymore. I replaced the battery in my Pixel 2 myself - it was a bit of work but not too bad overall (it's probably not waterproof anymore, though). nathan@[hn username].com

Re: Google Pixel 4a's old firmware is gone, trapping users on buggy battery update

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wifi uses more power than cell data?

It seems to in my house - possibly the wifi signal is not strong enough where I leave my phone and it is constantly searching. I also find that on wifi data, apps constantly update and sync themselves - they don't do this on metered network data.

>It seems to in my house - possibly the wifi signal is not strong enough where I leave my phone and it is constantly searching

Sounds like you should move your AP? There's no way that communicating with an AP tens of feet away is going to require less power than communicating with a tower hundreds of feet away.

>I also find that on wifi data, apps constantly update and sync themselves - they don't do this on metered network data.

You can set wifi connections to "metered" on both android and ios. It doesn't allow you to cut off data entirely (like you can on cellular data), but should have similar effects to being on cellular.

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