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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by orphea »

doix wrote: post #209
ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

Nvidia (and AMD) make the "core", but they don't make a "full" graphics card. Or at least they don't mass produce them, I think Nvidia tried it with their "founders edition". It's just not their main business model, it's been that way for many many years at this point. I'm guessing business people have decided that it's not worth it. Saying that they are "resellers" isn't technically accurate. The 5080 you buy from A…

  it's not worth it.
I wonder how much "it's not worth it". Surely it should have been at all profitable? (a honest question)

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Post by pknomad »

wruza wrote: post #151
jsheard wrote: post #4

32GB of GDDR7 at 1.8TB/sec for $2000, best of luck to the gamers trying to buy one of those while AI people are buying them by the truckload. Presumably the pro hardware based on the same silicon will have 64GB, they usually double whatever the gaming cards have.

Why do you need one of those as a gamer? 1080ti was 120+ fps in heavy realistic looking games. 20xx RT slashed that back to 15 fps, but is RT really necessary to play games? Who cares about real-world reflections? And reviews showed that RT+DLSS introduced so many artefacts sometimes that the realism argument seemed absurd. Any modern card under $1000 is more than enough for graphics in virtually all games. The gamin…

You need as much FPS as possible for certain games for competitive play like Counter Strike.

I went from 80 FPS (highest settings) to 365 FPS (capped to my alienware 360hz monitor) when I upgraded from my old rig (i7-8700K and 1070GTX) to a new one ( 7800X3D and 3090 RTX)

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Post by terhechte »

logankeenan wrote: post #264
terhechte wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have 128gb ram, try running MoE models, they're a far better fit for Apple's hardware because they trade memory for inference performance. using something like Wizard2 8x22b requires a huge amount of memory to host the 176b model, but only one 22b slice has to be active at a time so you get the token speed of a 22b model.

Do you have any recommendations on models to try?

In addition to the ones listed by others, WizardLM2 8x22b (was never officially released by Microsoft but is available).

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Post by roskelld »

glimshe wrote: post #7

Let's see the new version of frame generation. I enabled DLSS frame generation on Diablo 4 using my 4060 and I was very disappointed with the results. Graphical glitches and partial flickering made the game a lot less enjoyable than good old 60fps with vsync.

There's some very early coverage on Digital Foundry where they got to look at the 5080 and Cyberpunk.

https://youtu.be/xpzufsxtZpA

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #243
themaninthedark wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems that they have been tightening what they allow their partners to do, which caused EVGA to break away as they were not allowed to deviate too much from the reference design.

That was mostly about Nvidia's pricing. It's basically impossible to compete economically with the founders editions because Nvidia doesn't charge themselves a hefty markup on the chip. That's why their own cards always sell out instantly and then the aftermarket GPU builders can fight to pick up the scraps. The whole idea of the founders edition seems to be to make a quick buck immediately after release. Long term i…

This years founders edition is what I really want from a GPU. Stop wasting my 2nd PCIe slot because you've made it 3.5/4 slots BIG! It is insane that they are now cooling 575W with two slots in height.

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Post by mikae1 »

jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

Performance per watt[1] makes more sense than raw power for most consumer computation tasks today. Would really like to see more focus on energy efficiency going forward.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_per_watt

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Post by marricks »

jbarrow wrote: post #288

The increasing TDP trend is going crazy for the top-tier consumer cards: 3090 - 350W 3090 Ti - 450W 4090 - 450W 5090 - 575W 3x3090 (1050W) is less than 2x5090 (1150W), plus you get 72GB of VRAM instead of 64GB, if you can find a motherboard that supports 3 massive cards or good enough risers (apparently near impossible?).

I got into desktop gaming at the 970 and the common wisdom (to me at least, maybe I was silly) was I could get away with a lower wattage power supply and use it in future generations cause everything would keep getting more efficient. Hah...

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Post by kllrnohj »

necheffa wrote: post #245
kllrnohj wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway

> Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway Uhhhhhmmmmmm....what are you smoking? Almost no one is playing competitive shooters and such at 4k. For those games you play at 1080p and turn off lots of eye candy so you can get super high frame rates because that does actually give you an edge. People playing at 4k are doing immersive story driven games and consistent 60fps is perfectly fine for that, y…

Games other than esports shooters and slow paced story games exist, you know. In fact, most games are in this category you completely ignored for some reason.

Also nobody is buying a 4090/5090 for a "fine" experience. Yes 60fps is fine. But better than that is expected/desired at this price point.

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Post by michaelt »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

OK so there are a handful of effects at work at the same time.

1. Many people knew the new series of nvidia cards was about to be announced, and nobody wanted to get stuck with a big stock of previous-generation cards. So most reputable retailers are just sold out.

2. With lots of places sold out, some scalpers have realised they can charge big markups. Places like Amazon and Ebay don't mind if marketplace sellers charge $3000 for a $1500-list-price GPU.

3. For various reasons, although nvidia makes and sells some "founder edition" the vast majority of cards are made by other companies. Sometimes they'll do 'added value' things like adding RGB LEDs and factory overclocking, leading to a 10% price spread for cards with the same chip.

4. nvidia's product lineup is just very confusing. Several product lines (consumer, workstation, data centre) times several product generations (Turing, Ampere, Ada Lovelace) times several vram/performance mixes (24GB, 16GB, 12GB, 8GB) plus variants (Super, Ti) times desktop and laptop versions. That's a lot of different models!

nvidia also don't particularly want it to be easy for you to compare performance across product classes or generations. Workstation and server cards don't even have a list price, you can only get them by buying a workstation or server from an approved vendor.

Also nvidia don't tend to update their marketing material when products are surpassed, so if you look up their flagship from three generations ago it'll still say it offers unsurpassed performance for the most demanding, cutting-edge applications.

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Post by orphea »

Kelteseth wrote: post #268
voidUpdate wrote: post #198

Ooo, that means its probably time for me to get a used 2080, or maybe even a 3080 if I'm feeling special

Why not go for AMD? I just got a 7900XTX for 850 euros, it runs ollama or comfyUI via WSl2 quite nicely.

AMD driver quality is crap. I upgraded from GTX 1080 to RX 6950 XT because I found a good deal and I didn't want to support nvidia's scammy bullshit of launching inferior GPUs under the same names. Decided to go with AMD this time, and I had everything: black screens, resolution drops to 1024x768, total freezes, severe lags in some games (BG3) unless I downgrade the driver to a very specific version.
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