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Look at U.S. factories now vs the 1980s - way fewer workers but making more stuff. Yeah, companies moved jobs overseas, but they also went big on automation to boost efficiency. That's a huge reason factory jobs disappeared. As for COVID origins, let's not perpetuate unproven theories.

Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab leak https://www.science.org/content/article/house-panel-conclude... Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in China https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/45389-americans-b... also, Harvard Business Review agreed that "some U.S. regions lost manufacturing jobs a…

> Nothing unproven about covid coming out of wuhan lab

The burden of proof lies on those making the claim of a lab origin. In scientific investigation, the party proposing a particular explanation must provide evidence to support it, rather than others having to disprove it.

> House panel concludes that COVID-19 pandemic came from a lab leak

The findings of this report are in dispute. There is still no definitive evidence that COVID-19 originated in a lab.

> Two-thirds of Americans believe that the COVID-19 virus originated from a lab in China

The number of people who believe something has no bearing on whether it's factually true. History is full of examples where the majority was wrong. People once widely believed the Earth was flat and the sun revolved around us. Scientific truth is determined by evidence and rigorous research, not popular opinion or consensus.

Re: Jimmy Carter has died

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He was the first American president to broker a serious Middle East peace agreement between Israel and a Middle Eastern nation (Egypt) - the Camp David Accord.

What's ironic about this is that Egypt no longer poses a threat to Israel because of these peace agreements and reliance on American foreign aid. If this were not the case, Israel likely would not be a position such that they could pursue military attacks against Gaza and war in Lebanon.

Interesting viewpoint, however I don't think that would stop Israel in Lebanon (which has not been aligned with Egypt), and probably not in Gaza either.

It might have made Egypt more willing to open its border with Gaza, but could it really absorb 1-2 million refugees, as Jordan once did?

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Look at U.S. factories now vs the 1980s - way fewer workers but making more stuff. Yeah, companies moved jobs overseas, but they also went big on automation to boost efficiency. That's a huge reason factory jobs disappeared. As for COVID origins, let's not perpetuate unproven theories.

I think we are paying too much attention to the political opening of China and not enough to the economic factors affecting the US Dollar at the time. We are right to blame Nixon, not for opening up China, but for closing the doors to Fort Knox with the Nixon Shock in ending US-Dollar gold convertability. This resulted in high inflation and a devaluing of the dollar via a floating exchange rate. This made US exports cheap (easier to export), but for other countries assets in dollars fell in exchange-value, and their exports became more expensive (harder to export). This happened at the same time as the OPEC crisis, so Carter was facing a failing economy with extreme inflation. And by appointing Volcker who hiked interest rates to stop the inflation, caused a recession and a permanent deindustrialization of the US as well as dozens of countries with US assets going bankrupt. We ended up embracing a deficit economy powered by financialization, but since countries like China had didn't have dollar assets, didn't face austerity measures and structural adjustment programs from the IMF, and were industrialized, they could take up all the lost manufacturing that the US was willing to lose in order to maintain global hegemony in other ways.

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FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.

One of these persons came to speak to my class when I was in elementary school. She was an elderly woman by then. She told us about her daily life in one of these concentration camps. I don't remember much. She definitely told us about the wooden buildings, and only being allowed to bring in what possessions they could carry in a suitcase. I think she also said that they recited the Pledge of Allegiance.

My parents took my siblings and I as children to Manzanar, which has been kept close to its original state. The brutality sits with me. Swarms of mosquitos bit at our family, clouds of dust made it hard to keep eyes open. It was blazing hot, over 100º, so the dust hurt. Rows of squat, decrepit hovels stretched out across the desolate sand towards the mountains. You could see the desert through floors. Barbed wire fences, mounted guns on guard towers.

10,000 American citizens imprisoned in conditions worse than a zoo.

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I consider an endorsement more of the rationale for why, personally.

I think telling everyone you wish to live long enough to vote for Kamala Harris is a pretty firm endorsement.

that was fake news.

He did very much dislike the alternative, though.

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Kennedy split the split the Democratic Party, causing people not to bother to vote. Plus it gave Reagan many talking points, which then started the move of Union People to the GOP.

Is there evidence of that? The centrist Dems always blame those further left, not themselves. They did it in 2016 and this year too.

> The centrist Dems always blame those further left, not themselves. They did it in 2016 and this year too.

well, unless there is an big untapped electorate even further left, that would make a lot of sense actually, wouldn't it?

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"70s energy policy was a result of the oil crisis, not environment concerns." Quite - the environment was not much of a concern. Bear in mind that lead in petrol was your anti-knock agent and the catalytic convertor didn't exist. I remember really yellow coloured, sickly verges alongside roads and strawberry sellers in laybyes on the A303 ...

In the 1970s, the feared effect was global cooling. I doubt that Carter could have intervened in any case. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

I don't remember "global cooling" but to be fair, I was only 10 by 1980.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling - OK but do bear in mind that fags (cigarettes) were still being advertised as good for your health in the '70s.

Global cooling/warming was not really a feared effect back then - both were merely noted. What really concentrated the mind was the Cold War for the mainstream minded. For the usual bat shit loopy mob, there was the usual alien invasions and that!

I was a UK soldier's brat (my mum was a soldier too when she met dad but "retired" on advice when they married). We spent quite a lot of time in West Germany. I remember seeing Tupolev Bears and Badgers getting "lost" and being given directions by large fireworks with pilots strapped on top with a couple of side winder missiles and a cannon that fires rounds that they might fly into themselves.

OK it was the '70's. Dad's staff car was a Sioux or a Merc. 432s and 434s, Chieftains, Stalwarts, Saracens, Saladins and the rest would rumble around - that was just UK gear. West Germany had Leopards, Luchs (Lynx) and more. Phantoms, Starfighters, Buccaneers, Harriers and all the rest. I remember watching flights of Phantoms (four) lift off from say RAF Wildenrath, put their foot down (afterburner) and scoot off to whatever they had to do. It was quite deafening, and I was in a playground!

"Global cooling" - no, no idea!

I hope I have given you a mild flavour of just how unimportant the environment was generally considered back in the day by the general public. There was quite a lot of other things going on.

Nowadays, the weather rather speaks for itself.

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The West didn't win the Cold War; the USSR lost it on its own.

And now its successor state is on a warpath and has seemingly free reign. It didn't fail. It just regrouped and waited for western hegemony to grow weaker and indecisive. I'd say we're back to where we started with a much tougher set of adversaries.

> It didn't fail.

It did. What came later, in the years after Yeltsin, is completely different than the communist regime of the USSR.

> much tougher set of adversaries.

It may seem so because of the media, but Russia is much weaker than the USSR is and has almost none of the global influence that the latter had.

China is now by far the more powerful adversary to the US, which went unnoticed for years because US foreign policy was so fixated on Russia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Idiots.

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I found this opinion piece or carter (also from the post) compelling: https://wapo.st/4gwS2JW

From the piece:

Carter helped restore trust in the presidency through ethics reforms more relevant today than ever before. He established the Senior Executive Service and insulated civil service workers against political pressure. He slowed the revolving door for departing officials and placed independent inspectors general in every department. The Office of Special Counsel originated with his legislation to investigate possible wrongdoing by high-level officials. And he extended ethical standards to the private sector through the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, barring corporations from bribing foreign officials to obtain contracts. With Walter Mondale, he created the modern vice presidency as a fully engaged partnership.

That and his campaign slogan to not lie to people really highlighted his integrity.

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The West didn't win the Cold War; the USSR lost it on its own.

They admitted defeat due to SDI etc and Solidarity helped too.

SDI had very little to do with it.

The defeat was economic, not military.

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