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A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Ah yes. Technological progress will never happen.

Did it happen for EVs in the here and now? Where can I find a SH EV clunker for $2,000? I'm talking about an EV with performances similar to those of a gasoline-based $2,000 clunker. Otherwise, believing in "technological progress" as a potential solution is just just that, an irrational belief.

> an irrational belief

You won't walk around with a calculator in your pocket, will you?

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you! Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own: - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. - They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. -Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bon…

Sure, that’s not good, but neither is getting killed along with your whole family, while waiting at a bus stop…?

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/3-month-old-infa...

Also, it’s certainly better than having everyone drive themselves home after drinks at a bar?

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I think insurance prices will drive adoption of self driving very quickly. Consider: if a non-self driving car is in an accident with a self driving car, it'll almost always be the non-self driving car at fault. And with the telemetry from the self-driving car, they can prove it too, so accidents that would have been no-fault or shared fault become fully the non-self driving cars fault. And so I think insurance for n…

This is not really how accident liability is sorted. Most countries have a clause in their traffic law that states that even if you're in the right, you must still do everything feasible to prevent an accident. If anything, I would imagine that self-driving cars would be held to a higher standard here, not humans.

The number of drivers that i see get into aggressive non-prevention habits just so they can "be right and angry" is kinda mind blowing. Ie someone goes into a roundabout when they perhaps shouldn't have, and so the other person who likely had rightofway guns the gas to make it even more obvious and risks and accident just to be "right".

If you watch those dashcam communities you see similar behavior in what feels like half of the accidents. Someone else in the wrong but boy oh boy did the camera driver do nearly nothing to prevent the accident.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

> if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure. Then have the dignitaries and environmental policymakers give their uparmored gas guzzling cars up first, leading by example.

What are you talking about? Many politicians catch public transport around the world. I remember a few years back a mini nothingburger controversy about a politician 'caught' drinking a canned cocktail on the train in London https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/20/diane-abbot...

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I rode in a Waymo recently and was amazed at how good it was. It was easily in the top 5 best drivers I have ridden with. Really really impressive. It wasn’t nearly as cautious or timid as I expected it to be. But it also wasn’t reckless. I would describe it as assertive, but I’m sure some people would call it aggressive. It knows the rules and what’s going on around and acts accordingly. This really should be the no…

It's impressive and all, but my reaction to self driving cars are completely different. It's a great technical feat, but it's not ever going to be efficient as public transportation. The form factor of the car works against it.

Self-driving cars help get us past the path dependence and move toward better public transit.

I tried using the train for my commute. However, I had to maintain a car at each end and I could only use the 7AM train as the parking at my origin would be filled at any later time.

Self-driving cars break my dependence on a car at destination and allow me to pick an origin train independent of parking.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you! Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own: - You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs. - They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't. -Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bon…

>- You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs.

What does this have to do with self-driving cars? What type of "crucial logs" do today's car even keep?

>- They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't.

>-Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bonus for your medical insurance.

1. people already carry "wireless tags" everywhere they go. It's called their phone. They don't seem to mind.

2. Why would they do this, when they spent billions into developing lidar? If anything mandating this is bad for them, because it weakens their moat against incumbents, who can develop self-driving systems that are cheaper because they don't need expensive lidar technology to avoid pedestrians.

>- Insurance companies will refuse to insure your ild mechanical car, and will force you to buy a subscription for the new shiny car, that will have to be replaced every N years.

1. Insurance companies can theoretically do this today. Why aren't they doing it? Why would they suddenly do it with self driving cars?

2. All of this seems... fine? If you're driving a deathtrap that's a hazard to you and others, and the insurance company is on the hook for the millions of damage you can inflict (if you severely injure someone), they should have the right to refuse coverage. I doubt they'll actually refuse insuring such cars though, it'll just be really expensive.

>- The new car will refuse to drive you at X location because you overused your monthly C02 quota.

Pure speculation and fearmongering.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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> limited amount of time in the day For trips shorter than 2 miles, I can bet you that it's faster for me to hop on my bike (or to find an electric scooter) and get to my destination than it is to drive. And let's not even talk about the time to find parking.

The grocery store is 1.3 miles from here but it’s a 300’ climb and it’s 42f and raining right now. Even with my e-bike that’s not pleasant. On a conventional bike that’s unrealistic for all but the most hardcore cyclists. There’s a bus that serves that route but the stop is uncovered and service is unreliable because it’s immediately after a rest stop where the human drivers take care of their biological needs. A rob…

>The grocery store is 1.3 miles from here but it’s a 300’ climb and it’s 42f and raining right now.

I would get a jacket and umbrella and walk this without giving it a second thought.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

There is a signal light mounted on the top of the vehicle. When it detects a pedestrian in a crosswalk or waiting to cross, it lights up with a little ‘human walking’ picture. It makes it very clear to everyone it sees you.

Does it see you or is there someone else it's seeing?

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

Don't move to South Korea, where nearly everyone has tinted windshields and you literally can't.

Why do they have tinted windshields?
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