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Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by postingawayonhn »

perihelions wrote: post #234
cnlevy wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you haven't read it properly then: [ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Mohammad_al-Julani ] > When asked about al-Nusra's plans for a post-war Syria, al-Julani stated that after the war ended, all factions in the country would be consulted before anyone considered "establishing an Islamic state". He also mentioned that al-Nusra would not target the country's Alawite minority, despite their support for the Ass…

I agree with the other commenter; I don't believe this language, which seems to be directed towards western audiences for self-serving reasons. - "He also mentioned that al-Nusra would not target the country's Alawite minority, despite their support for the Assad regime" In the past, al-Julani (or al-Golani) has explicitly demanded Alawites convert to Sunni Islam, - "But any Allawite considering taking advantage of G…

You're using a 9 year old source. The whole point of this discussion is that HTS appear to have significantly moderated their views since then.

Maybe they're naive, but here are Syiran Christians celebrating: https://x.com/GrecoLevantines/status/1865621018531840273

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Post by 627467 »

vFunct wrote: post #145

Great. So when are the elections? There are going to be elections, right?

Look at Lebanon next door, they have elections, constitutional consensus to power share among sect diverse population. Syrian is just a large Lebanon. Doubt elections are the solution

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Post by arp242 »

homebrewer wrote: post #77
doshaa wrote: post #27

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This is extremely reductive, the asaad regime ( current and previous ) had to go, they've caused immense pain to syrians since the 80s.. The idea that this is some consorted effort by global hegemony to topple them ignores the effort of the rebels themselves, and how much the war in ukraine have costed russia..

> XYZ just had to go Yes, this worked out so well in the past. You people will definitely never learn. I honestly dread the times when your diplomats turn their gazes on my country.

All of started with protests from Syrian people back in 2011. Assad responded with murder. This then all escalated in the civil war.

There isn't some sort of foreign forced regime change going on here.

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Post by philistine »

hollerith wrote: post #245
fooker wrote: post #242

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Yes. Given their fall in Syria one might assume they are getting close to a breaking point. But it’s difficult to know for sure as they lie at every step of the process, even to themselves.

Assad's fall doesn't signify much because we should expect Moscow to prioritize its own backyard.

Syria is Russia's backyard! It is not culturally close like Ukraine, but Syria has been an ally of the Soviet Union and Russia for decades through the Assad family.

Nevertheless, Russia clearly chose to stop their support; the Assad regime was cooked.

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Post by sandmn »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #5

I'm not really aware of what's going on in Syria, and not really sure who's worse - Assad or the rebels, but it seems clear that Iran & Russia, which were main backers of Assad regime, appears extremely weak. That's understandable for Iran which may want to avoid to overextend itself following the recent events, but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all. In any case, it seems like there…

In the previous active phase of war in Syria Hezbollah was one of the main Assad supporters that provided manpower. They are extremely weakened right now, so in a way rebels can thank Israel for indirect help.

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Post by [deleted] »

ein0p wrote: post #139

It is a bit surreal to read people cheering for islamist head choppers who overthrew a secular government. Remember this 10 years from now when these same head choppers blow something up in NYC. The fundamental invariant of governance stands undefeated: religious head choppers, whether they are on "our side" or not, are always worse in the long run than the secular governments. See the "freedom fighter" Osama Bin Lad…

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Post by philistine »

j_maffe wrote: post #128
someotherperson wrote: post #122

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“Actual Syrians” isn’t a thing for this — it’s like wanting to hear from ‘actual Americans’ what they thought of the US election. Depending on the ethnicity, religion and politics of those Syrians you’ll get wildly different views.

Most Syrians I know are celebrating. I could have a biased demographic tho.

Even if the situation get worse, there is definitely cause to celebrate one less player on the very complicated board that is the civil war.

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Post by kwerab »

AngaraliTurk wrote: post #233
lukan wrote: post #130

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"Sure, it can always be worse" Yes, I would argue the islamic state was indeed worse. And so far I see nothing preventing them or a similar force taking hold again. I mean turkey is the moderating factor here and turkey under Erdogan has gone the authorian islamic way since a while.

I was giving you the benefit of doubt all this time, but your comments about my country confirms to me that you're misinformed. For all I hate Erdoğan and his attempts to undermine democracy, and I want to see him gone sooner or later, Turkey is as much an Islamic authoritarian state as USA is a Christian authoritarian one under the rule of Trump. There seems to be a tendency to exaggerate the realities on the ground…

The issue is that in the West people hear one of Erdogan's pep-talk speeches against Israel on CNN and assume that he means everything.

They don't know that Turkey has been delivering oil to Israel all the time and that Israel is in favor of the current events in Syria.

If all of Turkey, the U.S. and Israel support the Syrian rebels, we may assume that the goal is to install a U.S. friendly government (perhaps supervised by Turkey) and have more buffer states against Iran.

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Post by dralley »

mandelken wrote: post #97
postingawayonhn wrote: post #22

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> * could this be bad for Ukraine? Possibly, but it also shows how weak Russia is and how limited their presence in Syria was (because they sent everything to Ukraine). Russia can be defeated in Ukraine, but the west will need to step up support.

Since the 2022 Russian invasion, the West has provided 200bn in aid to Ukraine [0]. And Russia has been winning on the ground lately. It seems the West is thinking more aid will not change the outcome, but only diplomacy will. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303432/total-bilateral-...

Allocated is not the same as delivered

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Post by mmmmmbop »

polski-g wrote: post #282
m4rtink wrote: post #141

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Um, did Somalia actually get much better since then ?

The case for refugees isn't "their country is bad". It is "they are fleeing war". If it was the former case, then approximately 7b people would be valid refugees.

Isn't there an ongoing civil war in Somalia?
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