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Re: ChatGPT Pro

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I consistently get significantly better performance from Anthropic at a literal order of magnitude less cost. I am incredibly doubtful that this new GPT is 10x Claude unless it is embracing some breakthrough, secret, architecture nobody has heard of.

I pay for both GPT and Claude and use them both extensively. Claude is my go-to for technical questions, GPT (4o) for simple questions, internet searches and validation of Claude answers. GPT o1-preview is great for more complex solutions and work on larger projects with multiple steps leading to finish. There’s really nothing like it that Anthropic provides. But $200/mo is way above what I’m willing to pay.

I have several local models I hit up first (Mixtral, Llama), if I don’t like the results then I’ll give same prompt to Claude and GPT.

Overall though it’s really just for reference and/or telling me about some standard library function I didn’t know of.

Somewhat counterintuitively I spend way more time reading language documentation than I used to, as the LLM is mainly useful in pointing me to language features.

After a few very bad experiences I never let LLM write more than a couple lines of boilerplate for me, but as a well-read assistant they are useful.

But none of them are sufficient alone, you do need a “team” of them - which is why I also don’t see the value is spending this much on one model. I’d spend that much on a system that polled 5 models concurrently and came up with a summary of sorts.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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It’s like hiring an assistant. You could hire one for 60k/year. But you wouldn’t do it unless you knew how the assistant could help you make more than 60k per year. If you don’t know what to do with an employee then don’t hire them. If you don’t know what to do with expensive ai, don’t pay for it.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Question, what stops openai from downgrading existing models so that you're pushed up the subscription tiers to ever more expensive models? I'd imagine they're currently losing a ton of money supplying everyone with decent models with a ton of compute behind them because they want us to become addicted to using them right? The fact that classic free web searching is becoming diluted by low quality AI content will mak…

competition is what stops them from downgrading the existing stuff

and is also exclusively the reason why Sam Altman is lying to governments about safety risks, so he can regulate out his competition.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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I have been trying perplexity adn you for search, chatgpt and claude for coding and emails etc.

New clauge and gpt doe really well with scripts already. Not worth 200 a month lmao.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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I consistently get significantly better performance from Anthropic at a literal order of magnitude less cost. I am incredibly doubtful that this new GPT is 10x Claude unless it is embracing some breakthrough, secret, architecture nobody has heard of.

I haven't used ChatGPT in a few weeks now. I still maintain subscriptions to both ChatGPT and Claude, but I'm very close to dropping ChatGPT entirely. The only useful thing it provides over Claude is a decent mobile voice mode and web search.

If you don't want to necessarily have to pick between one or the other, there are services like this one that let you basically access all the major LLMs and only pay per use: https://nano-gpt.com/

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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My main concern with $200/mo is that, as a software dev using foundational LLMs to learn and solve problems, I wouldn't get that much incremental value over the $20/mo tier, which I'm happy to pay for. They'd have to do a pretty incredible job at selling me on the benefits for me to pay 10x the original price. 10x for something like a 5% marginal improvement seems sus.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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post #223

$200/month seems to be psychological pricing to imply superior quality. In a blind test, most would be hard-pressed to distinguish the results from other LLMs. For those that think $200/month is a good deal, why not $500/mo or $1000/mo?

I'll bite and say I'd evaluate the output at all those price points. $1k/mo is heading into "outsourced employee" territory, and my requirements for quality ratchet up quite a lot somewhere in that price range.

A super/magical LLM could definitely be worth $1k/mo, but only if there isn't another equivalent LLM for $20/mo. I'll need to see some pretty convincing evidence that ChatGPT Pro is doing things that Gemini Advanced can't.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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The main difficulty when pricing a monthly subscription for "unlimited" usage of a product is the 1% of power users who use have extreme use of the product that can kill any profit margins for the product as a whole. Pricing ChatGPT Pro at $200/mo filters it to only power users/enterprise, and given the cost of the GPT-o1 API, it wouldn't surprise me if those power users burn through $200 worth of compute very, very…

> can kill any profit margins for the product as a whole. Especially when the base line profit margin is negative to begin with

Is there any evidence to suggest this is true? IIRC there was leaked information that OpenAI's revenue was significantly higher than their compute spending, but it wasn't broken down between API and subscriptions so maybe that's just due to people who subscribe and then use it a few times a month.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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> In other words, it's a con. A con like that wouldn't last very long. This is for people who rely enough on ChatGPT Pro features that it becomes worth it. Whether they pay for it because they're freelance, or their employer does. Just because an LLM doesn't boost your productivity, doesn't mean it doesn't for people in other lines of work. Whether LLM's help you at your work is extremely domain-dependent.

Imo the con is picking the metric that makes others look artificially bad when it doesn't seem to be all that different (at least on the surface)

> we use a stricter evaluation setting: a model is only considered to solve a question if it gets the answer right in four out of four attempts ("4/4 reliability"), not just one

This surely makes the other models post smaller numbers. I'd be curious how it stacks up if doing eg 1/1 attempt or 1/4 attempts.

Re: ChatGPT Pro

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Do you also think $40K a year for Hubspot is insane? What about people who pay $1k in order to work on a field for 4 hours hitting a small ball with a stick?

The truth is that there are people who value the marginal performance -- if you think it's insane, clearly it's not for you.

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