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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by jjulius »

busterarm wrote: post #60
toomuchtodo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a handful of states require a permit to buy a firearm. A suppressor is equally easy to procure, and failing that, can be machined by anyone somewhat competent with a lathe. Won't link to it here, Youtube videos available with a quick web search. https://brilliantmaps.com/buy-gun-map/

That's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody w…

>There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by jjulius »

gk1 wrote: post #72
eschneider wrote: post #35

Do a search for 'UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients' and see what comes up. I'm not saying this is deserved, more that I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone to just up and execute an insurance CEO.

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I'm not saying that you're wrong, or that I feel that killing is OK, but as others have expressed throughout this thread, it feels weird to say stuff like that in regards to a company that itself has normalized letting people die for the sake of higher profits.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by kerkeslager »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #276
Clubber wrote: post #267

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>You keep saying killed, but there is a difference between letting people die and killing them. Using dubious legalese to deny a life saving claim that happens to cost say $200,000 that you took premiums for is pretty close. If you pay out of pocket, it might save your life, but you're bankrupt, your children get no inheritance, and you probably lose your house. That's a pretty insidious act for profit IMO. >Voters a…

I dont want state funded single player Medicaid for all, and would vote against it. I think my united healthcare plan is better (somewhat ironically). Instead, I think medicaid should be offered, at cost, as a non-profit public option to all ages. This was discussed briefly during the Obama healthcare debates, but broadly rejected by left who wanted to eliminate private options. We got compulsory private healthcare i…

> This was discussed briefly during the Obama healthcare debates, but broadly rejected by left who wanted to eliminate private options.

As someone who voluteered in this field during that time, this is just a repetition of right wing propaganda. There was no serious movement to eliminate private options. Every country with a single-payer system that I'm aware of has private options as well, they just aren't popular because they aren't good or necessary. Right wing extremists want to present this as eliminating options, but in reality, it's just people not choosing private options when they have other options, because private options suck.

The real reason the left rejected a the "compromise" of non-profit options is that it still requires people who don't have money to pay for insurance. Simply slapping a non-profit label on an insurance company doesn't fix anything.

Note that non-profit health insurance companies exist already, and have solved exactly zero of America's health insurance problems.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by bdangubic »

behringer wrote: post #93
toomuchtodo wrote: post #65

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Florida resident, have bought one without filling out any paperwork. Concealed carry license was paperwork though. I guess we're haggling over the background check? Sure, I concede I had to give them a page of info with a copy of my FL driver's license. https://www.fdle.state.fl.us/FPP/FAQs2.aspx ("Florida does not require a permit to purchase a firearm nor is there a permit that exempts any person from the backgroun…

Filling out the background check is still an application to own a gun, eg a "permit application". Just because the government wants to pretend that it isn't a permit (for second amendment reasons) doesn't mean it's not a permit.

permit would imply that it would be plausible for one person out of 8+ billion to be denied which you know… you can call it permit but I would call it piece of paper

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by bdangubic »

busterarm wrote: post #60
toomuchtodo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only a handful of states require a permit to buy a firearm. A suppressor is equally easy to procure, and failing that, can be machined by anyone somewhat competent with a lathe. Won't link to it here, Youtube videos available with a quick web search. https://brilliantmaps.com/buy-gun-map/

That's basically propaganda and half-admits it on the site. There are almost no situations where you will not be buying your firearm from an FFL and you will have to fill out a background check form and have a waiting period. The only private sales that happen are among criminals and within families. Regular people aren't going to risk the kind of charges that stem from misuse after a private sale. Certainly nobody w…

go to a gunshow and see what you need to walk home with guns from there…

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by bdangubic »

nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #321
vundercind wrote: post #209

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There's an ongoing "all the big liberal cities are scary" vibe in much media that's been internalized by a large proportion of the population. I know multiple people (and have myself experienced this) who've been greeted with warnings and concern from relatives when traveling to major cities... when those cities have violent crime rates far lower than the places they/we live. Like, a fifth as much or lower. It's stil…

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nice comment to make every here know you may have seen NYC on a postcard once or twice in your life :)

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by lofenfew »

vundercind wrote: post #339
nyarlathotep_ wrote: post #321

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I will believe this if you show me the stats. You can use homicide rates, since they're hard to fake or badly under-report, and since many of the other stats crime stats also look pretty good for NYC and I expect you'll dismiss them as extremely incorrect—and it's not unreasonable to worry that they might be , so, you can just use the homicide rates. Maybe one "scary" big city is managing to do hide far-worse homicid…

maybe crimes besides homicides affect people as well? Like, I dunno, burglary, say.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by barryrandall »

legitster wrote: post #13
impish9208 wrote: post #9

My bet is that it’s someone that got stiffed by UHC themself or lost someone close to them. You only have to get prematurely released from the hospital because some representative over the phone says so once for you to see this system is incredibly broken.

There's not many cases in 2024 where people get denied hospital care because of insurance. Get stuck with massive crippling bills? Sure. Can't afford insulin? Likely. But if you are at the hospital and your coverage is denied, legally that's the hospital's problem.

It happens all the time in 2024, but it takes the form of pharmacy benefit managers arbitrarily forcing people off effective medications onto cheaper, less effective ones.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by echoangle »

vundercind wrote: post #163
francisofascii wrote: post #64

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If these ultra wealthy CEOs don't have body guards now, they will after this. If you are making millions a year, why wouldn't you.

Even the Secret Service doesn't have a great track record for preventing attempts. Their presence puts some stress on the perpetrators, which does help, and they are good at preventing quick wide-open follow-ups to a miss or partial success, but they're bad at preventing the first shot or two. And I don't think it's because they're exceptionally bad at what they do, but because if someone really wants to take a shot,…

And the secret service has the luxury of being able to shut down whole blocks/towns when they think they need to, that’s not something a random bodyguard of a CEO can do every time the CEO drives around.
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