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Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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If you’re tempted to think “this isn’t worth it, too hard to enforce without affecting something else”… read “The Anxious Generation” by Jonathan Haidt. There is very real, irreparable harm being done to young people, and it merits trying to make it right, not just surrendering to it. Surely the problem of verifying a property of someone (the Boolean of “is over X age”) without sharing further details, is a surmounta…

I have tried to find good scientific evidence that shows that social media is a net negative for kids and or adults. I have been unable to do so. Reports that I read on conventional media sites often summarize government reports, but they do so incorrectly. And when I go and read the government reports, they present a much more balanced picture than the summaries would suggest. In particular, for marginalized teens,…

> In particular, for marginalized teens, social media represents a unique avenue to connect with teens in similar situations, which provides a significant support network.

Thank you for bringing this up. I was one of those 'marginalised' kids who didn't relate to my real life surroundings so much. The internet was like an escape for me, where I was able to meet many close friends with similar interests on social medias like Twitter and Discord. Not to mention, free internet access in general taught so much about the world, developed my passions and helped determine what I'm now studying and planning to pursue as a career.

If social media was banned when I was younger, it would have made me worse off for sure. And if there were internet/device restrictions more broadly, like I'm often seeing suggested, it would have been absolutely devastating for me. My life would have turned out completely different, in a bad way.

On a site like HN, I would have expected there to be much more people who also had the same experience as younger me with the internet and social media. But for some reason, most of the dominant sentiment here seems to consider social media as a cancer, with no nuance. I'm not sure why they do, but I wish that these people would consider the experiences of people like me.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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>The real reason why politicians push through these anti-social media laws is to prevent children from networking and discussing and sharing revolutionary ideas. Thats a pretty extreme view to any normal person who didnt grow up on the internet. EDIT: please stop editing your posts after posting, it makes them most difficult to respond to properly.

You also need to make a case for why it's extreme. Simply labeling it as extreme is not enough. Why is it extreme?

No I dont, I am done feeding the trolls. Feel free to retort whatever makes you feel most superior.

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> You got to grow up with the vocal minority on the internet, in otherwords the 4% of the worlds population which is most extreme in their views and most arrogant in how they express them. This is a de facto assumption. You assumed a situation which was not reality. > 4% of the worlds population are vocal on the internet. Conjecture, unsubstantiated percentage. Rooted in your own biased and demonstrably incomplete un…

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Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Here in Austria in fourth grade kids take a little test for their bicycling skill. Not that it matters much in a car-centric country, but people forget that cycling, even in company with a parent, give kids the chance to learn the necessary traffic rules. Why not have something similar for social media or as the problem seems to be general conduct in social media, educate the kids and give them better ways to raise t…

It's a bit difficult to tell from your comment what you meant by "Not that it matters much in a car-centric country". Do you mean that Austria is "car-centric"? Or that it isn't?

I grew up in America, Colorado to be more specific, and rode a bicycle all over my neighborhood (where there wasn't that much traffic) as a 7-12 year-old. Later, I biked to work in Chia-yi, Taiwan, where there was a bit more car traffic and then still later I did so from Mountain View to Palo Alto, when there was still more. In all cases, I found it very useful to be familiar with traffic rules!

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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> My personal hunch is legacy media is largely driving this The level of conspiracy theory about the “mainstream media” feels out of control at times. Legacy media’s control over the population is already gone (as you stated), with what leverage would they be forcing this? Occam’s Razor: voters are genuinely concerned about the effect social media is having on kids. As a parent I hear about these concerns a lot. That…

Australia doesn't (yet) have a thriving podcast and 'new media' landscape as the US recently discovered it had. Many Australians get their news from one of two large companies (News Corp and Nine Entertainment). Those companies therefore still have massive influence over electorates and therefore over politicians. From the 2 minute mark in this video explains some of the scheming that had been going on: https://twitt…

Watched video. The case is basically open and shut. This is why this ban came out of nowhere and why they hustled and sweated to get this of all things done in record time (for Australia).

Have to say, it is kind of genius of the legacy media and kind of chilling to see the naked face corruption like this.

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Pretty sure you're being downvoted for implying that 99.9% of adults are "MAPs".

My guess is that BSDobelix was downvoted and flagged for implying that people supportive of LGBTQ rights are (in comparison to the rest of the population) significantly more likely to be pedophiles.

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Guess Australia will get a lot of kids well-versed in VPN use.

I've recently been teaching kids to code (in Aus) - 7 year olds already know about VPNs, and use them to circumvent various roadblocks to playing roblox!

Few things in this world can stop kids from finding a way to play their favorite video games.

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> You got to grow up with the vocal minority on the internet, in otherwords the 4% of the worlds population which is most extreme in their views and most arrogant in how they express them. This is a de facto assumption. You assumed a situation which was not reality. > 4% of the worlds population are vocal on the internet. Conjecture, unsubstantiated percentage. Rooted in your own biased and demonstrably incomplete un…

> This is a de facto assumption. You assumed a situation which was not reality.

Nope, no assumptions there.

> Conjecture, unsubstantiated percentage. Rooted in your own biased and demonstrably incomplete understanding of the internet.

I'll give you this one, my percentage was out of date. The current percentage is estimated to be 10%.

> I don't think you understand just how many people are on the internet.

I dont think you understand how little are. 67.5% of the world currently have access to the internet, and the majority of that is intermittant and shareddevices in Africa and Asia. Thats many billions of people that do not even own a device with a web browser, let alone indulge in conversations with strangers on social media and forums.

> Also, please refrain from devolving into insults and accusations of narcissism.

There were no insults or accusations. I said your reply was Narcissistic, I did not say you were.

You keep reading what you want to in my posts to support your extremism and outrage. Please dont, nobody is accusing you of anything. You can calm down now!

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> freedom of information, one of the most basics Western freedoms. Children's access to info is limited in all societies.

No it isn't; children have always been able to borrow the same books from libraries as adults, read the same newspapers. Just now much of the information doesn't live in books or newspapers.

Movies have ratings and entry to hall is restricted. Games have rating and ability to buy them is restricted. books allowed in school libraries is heavily curated and sometimes restricted by law or vested groups. It is illegal to sell R18 magazines to a minor.

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One thing I don't understand: if you and other parents are so concerned about this... why let your children use those sites?

I'm assuming you don't have kids? It's impossible to stop them, both on a technical and social level. You'd guarantee a destroyed relationship with your kids if trying to do so without their consent.

I'd think forcing the kids to turn off the light at 11pm or eat fish or whatever is worse than dns blocking Facebook, from the kids perspective.
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