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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by tzs »

stego-tech wrote: post #284
piotrkaminski wrote: post #252

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> brand that emphasizes safety or enjoyment of experience (like Hondas and Toyotas) This is plausible on its face, and yet the Honda CR-V Hybrid ended up higher on the list than the Model Y. No idea how to explain that...

It’s why I was very careful to make it as clear as possible that my own theory is rooted purely in conjecture and speculation based on personal experience, because: A) I don’t want to get sued B) I am not a researcher Though if I had to take a guess on the CR-V: big, cheap SUV, often seen driven by young drivers in my area. Could be lack of experience? I can only speculate, though. This is quickly becoming fodder for…

That doesn't explain why it was the hybrid CR-V with the high fatality rate, unless inexperiences drivers prefer the hybrid to the non-hybrid.

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Post by ab5tract »

notyourwork wrote: post #333
sangnoir wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only do other HN commenters largely agree that it belongs to HN, they decided that it deserves to be the top comment on this discussion, at the time I authored this comment

Which is sad for someone who has been here for well over a decade. I never came here for political banter, I came for technical discussion. Facts, truths and subject matter experts. HN is slowly becoming less concentrated version of that.

Pretending that “politics” exists as something separate or invasive is not only ignorant, it’s dangerous.

If this were a thread about IBM machines of the 1930s, would it be playing “politics” to note that those machines were sold to Nazis and supported by IBM through sub-contractors even while we were at war with them? Is it crossing a line to mention they were used to facilitate the Holocaust?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

giantg2 wrote: post #265
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #130

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They have already announced what they are going to do, with the pro-Trump side saying he's not serious or will mellow out the plan before he takes office, and the anti-Trump side saying he will do exactly what he says he's going to do. Basically a repeat of 2016.

It always falls in the middle. There's a reason politicians are known as liars. Of course they won't do everything they claim on the campaign trail.

Politicians bend the truth or promise what they are later unable to deliver (and often had no chance of delivering). But I think Trump usually tries to deliver on whatever he said in the campaign (like in 2016), like you can expect wide reaching tariffs in January or February (especially since half-way competent advisors, congress, and the courts are probably not going to moderate him as much this time).

Maybe make any computer purchases in December just to be safe.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by ab5tract »

sangnoir wrote: post #320
ithkuil wrote: post #285

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The genius would lie in planning that in advance. You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money, use it to influence elections or at least give the impression that you'd been instrumental in influencing the election so that the new president will want to give you a new department with a funny name you made up. I don't know man, my Occam's razor cuts another way.

> You'd need to buy Twitter for quite a lot of money On the other hand, if he had been forced to buy Twitter against his better judgement, he may have an axe to grind against the "overbearing" administrative state and use the tools at hand to achieve his ends. No evil genius required, just happenstance and humans seeing patterns in chaos.

Being “forced” to honor a contract that you yourself entered and legally bound yourself to. The horror, the dishonor, the overreach of justice!

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by tzs »

kevinqi wrote: post #47
legitster wrote: post #3

In a big picture, this makes sense. You can load the cars with safety features, but it doesn't change the fact that these cars are very heavy, very fast, and loaded with features that reward distracted driving. In the US at least, the top killer of drivers are trees on the side of the road.

Aside from the distracted driving part, which is real, there are two physical aspects of the model 3 that I find to be safety issues as well-- the two front windshield beams are thick and add a sort of blind spot, and the side mirrors don't give you great field of view.

I've never been in a Tesla so don't know if this would work, but you might try getting a small convex mirror (often called a "blind spot mirror") like these [1] at Amazon. I linked Amazon for convenience. They should also be easy to find locally at anyplace that has an auto section like Walmart, or auto parts stores like NAPA, O'Reilly, and AutoZone.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/s?k=blind+spot+mirror

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by scoofy »

notyourwork wrote: post #333
sangnoir wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only do other HN commenters largely agree that it belongs to HN, they decided that it deserves to be the top comment on this discussion, at the time I authored this comment

Which is sad for someone who has been here for well over a decade. I never came here for political banter, I came for technical discussion. Facts, truths and subject matter experts. HN is slowly becoming less concentrated version of that.

"I don't want to discuss politics" when it's directly related to the topic at hand, is a complaint from the decadent class. It affects peoples lives, it's relevant, it's entirely plausible given the situation.

People are going to have to deal with the presence of politics in regular life for the unforeseen future, because the luxury of avoiding politics is generally the sign of having good governance.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

vikingerik wrote: post #221
SoftTalker wrote: post #115

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What makes sense to me is the top 3 cars: Tesla - autopilot that really isn't, gets fooled in many situations, driver lulled into not paying attention, can't react quickly enough when the computer bails, and ends up driving into a bridge abutment at 75mph. Kia - cheap cars built to minimum safety standards driven by young people who aren't very experienced drivers. Buick - cars driven by geriatrics whose declines in…

I'd also venture that the profile of Tesla drivers is also a factor along with those other two brands. I'd be pretty sure that Tesla owners collectively drive more aggressively than the average car on the road. Teslas aren't being driven by soccer moms and careful grandmas.

Model Y are driven by tons and tons of “soccer moms” and dads. Probably the most common car now per capita, at least in my area.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by tzs »

nomel wrote: post #59
kevinqi wrote: post #47

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Aside from the distracted driving part, which is real, there are two physical aspects of the model 3 that I find to be safety issues as well-- the two front windshield beams are thick and add a sort of blind spot, and the side mirrors don't give you great field of view.

Same with my older Toyota. They stuffed airbags in them, which is nice, but I've had several times where an adult on a bike is completely obscured, with my passenger having to scream "stop!". After the second time, I now bob my head like a maniac to look around them. Can't wait for displays on pillars, to make them appear transparent.

The pillars on my 2006 CR-V haven't been a problem. Did pillars get bigger on newer cars, or did Honda use smaller pillars, or what?

They are wide enough that their horizontal angular width could be larger than the horizontal angular width of a pedestrian more than a couple or so meters away but due to their angle there is plenty of the pedestrian still visible.

I spent a while just sitting in a busy parking lot watching people go by and seeing how their visibility changed and I couldn't find any situation where I'd have trouble seeing a pedestrian unless they were far enough away that there was no chance I'd hit them even if I never saw them.

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Post by ETH_start »

notyourwork wrote: post #117
Koala_ice wrote: post #14

I thoroughyl expect the Deparment of Government Efficiency to recommend U.S. Fatality Analysis Reporting System (FARS) be shut down to save previous taxpayer dollars.

Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

A certain faction always think the rule on keeping politics out of forums doesn't apply to them, because their politics are too correct and important. I experience this problem in groupchats where the very people who furiously demanded people not bring politics into the group and to make the group politics-free routinely push their own politics. They say their politics are too important to not bring up.

These same people LEFT other groups dedicated to politics so presumably if others respond in kind by discussing their own politics, they will leave the last groupchats too. This is why a certain faction is such an echo chamber. Incidentally, I was just banned from r/Archaeology for arguing that a post arguing that archeologists should prepare to fight the fascist takeover was too political.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by LUmBULtERA »

nytesky wrote: post #33
peppertree wrote: post #15

I suspect the biggest factor is speed. After getting used to EV for over a year, every ICE vehicle feels painfully sluggish and slow. If that's the case I'm curious to see how the numbers compare to other EVs.

Torque and touchscreens.

I find the touchscreen actually less distracting and easier to use than the cell phone I had to use in a Honda civic. Also no critical functions need to be done on the touchscreen, they can all be done via physical buttons on the wheel or stocks.
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