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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by sleepybrett »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #192
klodolph wrote: post #156

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Sure, but to be honest, I don’t think you should be shipping a high-spec computer with a built-in screen. Anything high-spec should be broken into at least a separate screen and computer. The screen is such a major point of failure. I’ve seen so many iMacs and MacBooks with broken screens where the end solution is to replace the entire device, which is a waste. It’s that much more of a waste if you are getting a high…

> The screen is such a major point of failure. The screen of an iMac (at least the 5K 27" one) is the part that still has value, so its annoying when you can't use it on new hardware.

I know that some of the older imacs could still work as a monitor using 'target display mode'. Would be nice, however, if apple could design an imac where the actual computer is a module you can snap into an older one to upgrade it.

At some point we need to stop putting these things into landfills or even recycling them. I've been using the same PC case for at least 10 years ship of Theseus style and the same monitors for 5.

I appreciate apples recycling stance but even better is a reuse stance. Even just stripping back all the aluminum, melting it all down, re casting it and then remachining it has a significant cost.

For the last 10-20 years apple has been pretty good about reusing case designs for a few generations before doing some kind of redesign. Seems silly that I can't swap out a motherboard for a m2 macbook for an m3 macbook. (maybe this would also stop them from fucking soldering the storage to the motherboard since an upgrade that wipes my whole machine is utter bullshit)

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by mixmastamyk »

madeofpalk wrote: post #309
bhouston wrote: post #289

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It is 4K. I wish it was higher. But practically, I cannot find an affordable 6K OLED monitor. And 8K is both unaffordable as well as not supported by my MacBook Air: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/macbook-air/apd8cdd74f... . I do set my MacBook resolution to maximum and it works well.

So you value just the physical size of things, not being able to display more 'stuff'? For example, a 27" 5k (5120 x 2880) display will give you more space/resolution for stuff than a 4k 48" display. I can't imagine how pleasent that would be, the display being so physically large with pixels the side of boulders. As long as it works for you, I guess! I'm with you in spirit though - I ditched dual monitors for an ult…

Having to turn your head to see a full 16:9 screen doesn’t sound great either.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by MBCook »

madeofpalk wrote: post #279
rgbrgb wrote: post #146

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> Leaves me wondering how many of these Apple actually sell I think we can check since they're public. Looks like 5-8 million per quarter [0]. Approx 10% of their computer sales [1]. [0]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/263444/sales-of-apple-ma... [1]: https://www.cultofmac.com/news/macbooks-make-up-a-whopping-7...

Note the data isn't actually public - Apple does not break Mac revenue or sales figures down to per device. These are all just 'market intelligence' estimates.

Right. They used to, they stopped many years ago. So now it’s all guesses, estimates, based on whatever.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by rsynnott »

artimaeis wrote: post #335
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #238

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I will never purchase the Studio Display on principle. It's an idiot product.

What delineates it as an idiot product? There aren't exactly a ton of alternative 5k displays on the market. Dell and LG have some 5120x1440 options, but only Apple has a 5120x2880 option as far as I can find.

There’s a Samsung one, though it doesn’t seem to generally be much cheaper than the Apple one, and the LG Ultrafine 5K seems to be… maybe still available?

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by talldayo »

nickthegreek wrote: post #338
talldayo wrote: post #313

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Or buy a real computer, plug in an Nvidia GPU, and save your DRAM for compute while using your VRAM for inference.

So now you just limited to 24gb unless you are running dual 3090s or leave the consumer market for a gpu.

I mean, model layering has been around for several years now: https://huggingface.co/blog/lyogavin/airllm

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by [deleted] »

phs2501 wrote: post #30
fckgw wrote: post #21

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They literally can't. They moved the headphone jack from the back to the side because it was too long. Now you could argue if it needs to be that thin but for the current configuration, there's nothing you can cram behind the screen.

For something that's literally designed to sit on a desk, yes... it's ridiculous to make it thinner in a dimension you never see vs one that you see all the time.

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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by newsclues »

coryfklein wrote: post #324
graeme wrote: post #138

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The iMacs very much aren't their main seller. A couple of key demographics use it though: * Families with a shared computer in a common room. Super simple to setup, no fiddling, low price. In the video Apple showcased this use case. My parents have an M3 imac and it works great. They had their last iMac for ten years. * Businesses buy these for reception areas and customers see the Apple logo on the back. Easy soluti…

I love the iMac as the main driver for my family of 5 * We want a dedicated space in the house for a family computer, so portability is no concern * It has a very small footprint * It looks the most like "furniture" out of all the options I've seen; pretty color & form factor, and no mess of cables. If you're male, think "wife approval factor". * It does everything the family needs from it; runs Steam, documents, spr…

Yeah a family friend PC that can end up on a desk or in the kitchen, or on a milk crate as a media player in an apartment, as a family computer they get years of use over time by different people in a family. From work to life to play.

Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by dlevine »

I'm surprised they are still shipping these with 256GB of storage base. I had a Macbook with a ~500GB SSD in 2012 (I installed it), and a 500GB spinning disk in like 2008 (also user installed).

A 500GB SSD can be had for <$50 these days, and a 1TB for <$100. Still plenty of profit for Apple, even if they bump up the base storage to 512GB and make 1TB a $200 upgrade...

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Post by kruxigt »

robotresearcher wrote: post #321
piinbinary wrote: post #11

It's frustrating how disposable these are designed to be edit: e.g. screen replacements cost nearly as much as the entire computer

I bet iMacs are some of the longest-average-lifetime computers out there. But I’m sad that the 27” models are obsolete computers and still-wonderful screens, and Apple removed the use-as-screen mode.

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Re: New iMac with M4

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Post by robotresearcher »

fourfour3 wrote: post #212
wffurr wrote: post #141

What's with the green iMac picture? https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/10/apple-introduc... It only shows two USB-C ports while further down the marketing material talks about "all four USB-C ports". EDIT: the low-end 8-core model for $1300 only has two ports. It also has what looks like a rear-facing camera in the stand cutout. What is that for? EDIT: It's the magnetic power connector. I did not expect that…

The gigabit ethernet port is in the power brick.

That’s a cool idea. The desktop has only one cable even on wired network. Neat.
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