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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

"Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented". Your sampling method is flawed. Only Cybertruck fans are approaching you. Most people aren't going to come up and tell you they think your car is ugly.

TBF when I got a Mach E and they were still really new I did get a bunch of onlookers come up just to complain to me about how Ford is destroying the Mustang name and EVs are actually way worse for the environment than ICE cars and that I should be ashamed of myself for buying into the globalist lies and it's just a symbol of everything in the world going to hell. Happened about half a dozen times or so.

I did also get many positive interactions when it was new as well. But boy did those random negative encounters stick out!

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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We can’t escape physics, but we can address physics. Car batteries are usually temperature controlled, they are cooled when fast charging etc. Especially with modern battery tech, you should easily get 200,000km out of the battery before it drops to below 80% of its original capacity

How are they exactly temperature controlled? To control temperature, we would need to circulate something around the cells and that something has to be heated or cooled whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such. Not to mention that such heating/cooling would additionally draw energy thus taking a toll on both the range and battery life.

> whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such.

You're massively misinformed. Practically all EVs have active liquid cooling through their batteries and have for quite some time. You should actually research them instead of being so confidently wrong.

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Tesla has liquid cooling around the cells, a fairly advanced system that can move heat between battery, motors, cabin, and environment in arbitrary directions. Before just claiming no EVs do this, you could have typed “Tesla battery cooling” into Google and gotten this from the AI thing: > Tesla vehicles have a built-in battery cooling system that uses an electric pump to circulate coolant and keep the battery's temp…

If you read my comment, you wouldn't find any claim or falsehoods being spread rather a question. With the conclusion that such cooling/heating wouldn't be free lunch and would take it's toll on the battery itself reducing both range and requiring more charge cycles because all those compressors need power too.

> you wouldn't find any claim or falsehoods being spread rather a question.

> whereas every tear down I have ever seen of EV batteries contains nothing as such.

You've either pretty much never seen any recent-ish battery teardown or you just weren't paying attention to them. Acting like active cooling is some rare oddity in EVs is pushing a falsehood. It's an argument not based in reality clothed in the slightest amount of deniability by acting like you're someone who would be informed (supposedly watched some significant amount of teardowns) but just haven't happened to see it at all.

> would take it's toll on the battery itself reducing both range and requiring more charge cycles because all those compressors need power too.

You're largely misunderstanding the amount of energy needed to actually operate the car at highway-ish speeds and the amount of energy needed to keep a battery pack somewhere in the range of acceptable temperatures. You'll use far more energy maintaining the cabin than what you'll spend managing the battery in the majority of climates. And even then the actual locomotive power needed to drive the car still dominates the overall energy usage.

And FWIW when it's really cold or hot my battery preconditions using wall power so it's leaving the house at a good temp. Then it's a pretty solid mass of stuff, a good amount of thermal inertia. So it's only those trips where it's been parked for a long while and it's fully cold/hot soaked that it's really using much of the battery. And even then it's still far less than even 25% for all cooling (cabin + battery) energy use of it's overall usage even when it's >100F out here and is totally heat soaked.

And even then, assuming it's not over 100F or under freezing a lot of the cooling needed for the battery can be done by regular radiators and airflow without needing compressors. If it's 50-90F outside it's probably just cooling itself by airflow over a radiator for the liquid cooling loop so all it needs is a water pump circulating, maybe a fan. It's not like there's massive amounts of waste heat being generated like in an ICE.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.

I hate this argument in business. A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline. Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly. This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.

Selling a product for money and then delivering the product without those features is fraud.

The gymnastics this cult does is infuriating. The dude lies. Constantly.

I own 3 teslas. I like the cars. Doesn't mean the CEO doesn't constantly lie and under deliver.

It doesn't matter if the car cures cancer. It doesn't make his past lies become truths.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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I’m genuinely curious, on a 4-month old vehicle, why weren’t the three specific repairs and costs you list be covered under warranty?

Isn't that like asking if Boeings flights aren't covered by life insurance? Car insurance companies know the costs, and they have open listings of the car brands. They have literally all incentives in play to stay truthful. Compared to whatever PR we are force-fed a jour.

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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I find Kia/ Hyundai designs more pleasing and “out of the box” than most other automakers. Of course they have some failures like the Ioniq 6 sedan, the thing looks like the hate child between a 911 and an MB C300.

I drive an Ioniq 6 and love the design. To each their own…

The Ioniq 6 is SO CLOSE to being beautiful.

The concept version was awesome. Somehow the production version got tweaked just enough to break the effect for me. I had no idea that Space Porche and Standard Sedan were so close in my mental space.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Agreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.

It's broken down by component, not vehicle, but NHTSA has actual data. https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls...

I'm sure they do have sufficient data to answer this question, but it's not in what you linked and I'm not going to be diving in to do the analysis myself.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Can you name a single European city that is positively teeming with large American SUVs?

Don't change the meaning please. Obvious not teeming like in the US but the traditional European family station wagon is being replaced by large SUVs everywhere in Europe.

Quoting you:

> Large American SUVs are flying off the shelves in Europe.

If they were truly “flying off the shelves,” I’d expect the frequency to be so obvious that it would be unmistakable. So I’m asking you to support your claim with data or at least more detailed anecdotes. Which city? Which models?

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The Bolt EUV is the perfect EV, and it’s a travesty that they stopped selling it. Hopefully the talk of them bringing it back is true.

WTF is going on with the Chevy EVs? They dropped the Volt which you can only pry out of owners cold, dead hands. They dropped the Bolt EUV which seems to be similarly adored. What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions?

> What dumbass metric is causing these stupid decisions?

Sales and margin for the most part. The sales part, I imagine it's largely a failure of successfully marketing the vehicles, but I could be wrong.

The Volt to me was largely a failure of marketing at the time. Practically no normal people I know have any clue about what the Volt was. I went to a few dealerships to look at one and most salespeople didn't have a clue about the car (common though with car sales) or didn't even have any on hand to show. There was practically zero mindshare of GM equating with hybrids; the vast majority of car buyers I knew interested in hybrids essentially only knew/cared about Toyota. With declining sedan popularity in the US the writing was on the wall.

The Bolt was seen by many US car buyers as too small of a car and often confused for the several years older PHEV Volt. The amount of normal people I've heard use Volt/Bolt interchangeably is incredibly high. The people I talked to about the Bolt EUV figured it was just a different trim level of the same car, not realizing it was a good bit bigger.

Three different cars with different capabilities and yet so many people would just think they're the same V/Bolt thing GM talked about a decade or so ago.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

novelty != taste; that vehicle sets new records for ugly..
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