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TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Arguably compared to the technical people who do the actual work isn’t this a fairly perceptive description?

There's lots of smart serious people who aren't technical but the problem with Altman is that he isn't serious at all, he's a pure grifter, focused only on headlines

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1) The costs will go down over time, much of the cost is the margin of NVIDIA and training new models 2) Absolutely. Thats like one hour of an engineer salary for a whole month.

> The costs will go down over time, much of the cost is the margin of NVIDIA and training new models Isn't each new model bigger and heavier and thus requries more compute to train?

Then those new models get distilled into smaller ones.

Raising the max intelligence of the models tends to raise the intelligence of all the models via distillation.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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The current AI hype wave has really hit a nerd soft spot - that we're steps away from AGI. Surely if a computer can make plausible-looking but incorrect sentences we're days away from those sentences being factually accurate! The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

> The winter after this is gonna be harsh.

That'll be investor types who bring this stupid "winter" on, because they run their lives on hype and baseless predictions.

Technology types on the other hand don't give a shit about predictions, and just keep working on interesting stuff until it happens, whether it takes 1 year or 20 years or 500 years. We don't throw a tantrum and brew up a winter storm just because shit didn't happen in the first year.

In early 2022 there was none of this ChatGPT stuff. Now, we're only 2 years later. That's not a lot of time for something already very successful. Humans have been around for several tens of thousand years. Just be patient.

If investors ran the show in the 1960s expecting to reach the moon with an 18 month runway, we'd never have reached the moon.

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I agree on the first two points. On the third point, I think we've always seen this happen even in massive shocks like the Industrial Revolution (and the Second Industrial Revolution with assembly lines etc. and the Computer Age) It might be hard for people to retrain to whatever the new opportunities are though. Although perhaps somewhat easier nowadays with the internet etc.

The Industrial Revolution was a period of massive economic growth that was coupled with decline in the quality of life of the average worker. This Economist article talks about how looking at the historical data, historians now see that the height of the average Englishman actually went down due to malnutrition. https://web.archive.org/web/20210905065401/https://www.econo... The myth that the Industrial Revolution wa…

Well, yeah but right now we're reaping many benefits from the industrial revolution. Malnutrition for sure. Not saying it's the same as the AI boom though.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Based. The more I read about TSMC, the more I like them.

Eh; the Russians laughed at Musk, before he started SpaceX; too.

I doubt OpenAI will start challenging TSMC at building chips anytime soon.

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> OpenAI’s business model, as it exists today, doesn’t really inspire confidence, as it seems to exist on the promise of ‘jam tomorrow.’ Specifically, the firm has an income of approximately $3 billion per year, which is put in deep shade by its $7 billion annual expenditure. So a yearly loss of 4 billion dollars or losing $10 million daily. The IPOs basically (mostly) have been operating just the way Bitcoin has bee…

Amazon was not profitable for many years, yet they are one of the most valuable companies in the world. Why? Because they kept growing. What OpenAI is doing is "sustainable" if they keep growing like that. From summer 2023 to summer 2024 they 6x their revenue to 3.4B USD. If they 4x next year and 3x the year after, they would make 40B in revenue.

You're assuming exponential growth based on early growth rates. Those rates are extremely unlikely.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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> LLM Code Assistants have succeeded at facilitating reusable code. I'd have said the opposite. I think LLMs facilitate disposable code. It might use the same paradigms and patterns, but my bet is that most LLM written code is written specifically for the app under development. Are there LLM written libraries that are eating the world?

I believe you're both saying the same thing. LLMs write "re-usable code" at the meta level. The code itself is not clean and reusable across implementations, but you don't even need that clean packaged library. You just have an LLM regenerate the same code for every project you need it in. The LLM itself, combined with your prompts, is effectively the reusable code. Now, this generates a lot of slop, so we also need…

Agreed. But this terrifies me. The goal of reusable code (to my mind) is that with everybody building from the same foundations we can enable more functional and secure software. Library users contributing back (even just bug reports) is the whole point! With LLMs creating everything from scratch, I think we're setting ourselves on a path towards less secure and less maintainable software.

Re: TSMC execs allegedly dismissed OpenAI CEO Sam Altman as 'podcasting bro'

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Also causing lots of harm, too, e.g. police departments using AI systems that get the wrong suspect.

Ideally your court system does not permit AI testimony.

The damage is done by these systems long before any courts get involved.

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There’s a lot of money to be made if you can reliable distinguish the two in advance.

My grandma loved to remind my dad about how he didn't think CDs would become a thing, and to not invest in Philips (as i recall) And he was tech savy, building circuits, computers etc, he just didn't think it would be reliable or better than what existed... definitely a vinyl guy.

Conversely I sold thousands of bitcoins years ago once I learned the technology and recognized how stupid/useless it was.

Didn't pan out well for me.

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