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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container the same stuff you can put in a pager can be put more easily in a paper tube.
Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon
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#342My guess is they infiltrated the pager supply putting the bombs in all pagers and triggered them with Hezbollah's own encoded message system so only the guilty parties would be effected.
Seems more likely their explosive implant used a separate RF trigger -- makes the whole thing much simpler for them, less detectable. They could run a plane or drone overhead to send the radio initiate message. Looked like 5-10g (maybe up to 20g?) of explosive, NOT battery. I think you could fit the whole package inside an AA battery, along with an AAAA battery, so you could do something crazy there, or just replace…
It's trivial to sniff a data line to the LCD and look for a specific message(I regrettably had to do this in the late 90's to fix a bug using an additional Z8 microcontroller). That said, it would be more work than inserting a separate module with its own message reception logic.
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#343Intelligence agencies put their bugs within the hardware of electronic devices you order online. If you believe being the target of an intelligence agency never order anything online. They will put the bug inside, especially if it is an electronic device such as a phone/laptop/TV/coffee machine. Best solution is to go buy it from a random store and have a good home security system. Also weigh your electronic devices…
Where do they do this? Do they pick up the package at the post office distribution center?
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#344This seems like it would have the potential for a lot of collateral damage due to the possibility that modified pagers might enter general distribution. That is to say, how do they insure that a given shipment of pagers are only going to Hezbollah as opposed to some of them going to people like aid workers?
Who uses pagers? Aid workers carry phones. The pagers are deliberate opsec move for Hezbollah.
For collateral, I was thinking more along the lines of non-Hezbollah civilians right next to the target, or perhaps a building set on fire
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#345If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…
These pagers were 100% a supply chain attack. Intercepted and modified with small explosives embedded in them or swapped the entire shipment out with ones with a small explosives in them. There is no possibility these explosions are from battery overloads via an exploit or firmware hack.
> These pagers were 100% a supply chain attack.
What did you base that on though, 100% is pretty confident
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>> They set these off in public spaces and private residences. There are already reports that Israel murdered a 10 year old girl with this attack. Absolutely horrible.
People tend to do whatever they want when they’re raised since birth to believe everybody that is not one of their in-group is a quite literal subhuman not chosen by god
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#348From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…
This is a one shot attack. They will never be able to do it again. And I don't think most of the world has pissed off Mossad quite as much as Hezbollah. Assuming they even did it!
> They will never be able to do it again.
Only if Hezbollah take steps to avoid it. Presumably they will, but presumably there is a cost, and so Israel will continue to benefit from them having to divert resources to doing that.
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#349Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon
#350If we try to do what we are best at here at HN, let’s focus the discussion on the technical aspects of it. It immediately reminded me of Stuxnet, which also from a technical perspective was quite interesting. I already wonder if this was anything that was planted in the devices perviously, or if the ones responsible had similar devices, and managed reverse engineer them and craft a payload to them, that could be sent…
These pagers were 100% a supply chain attack. Intercepted and modified with small explosives embedded in them or swapped the entire shipment out with ones with a small explosives in them. There is no possibility these explosions are from battery overloads via an exploit or firmware hack.
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