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Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by idiotsecant » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:11 PM UTC

resource_waste wrote: post #336

herrherrmann wrote: post #287

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This sounds more like a systemic issue than a technological one. New tech will most likely only support the current system (profit over people, in your case), and not magically make things fairer or more social.

I have an example that disagrees. I had a stomach bug, and a Physician was insistent I get xrays. I put my symptoms into chatGPT, and it agreed that the xray was unnecessary. I saved hundreds of dollars, I learned my doctor was corrupt, and tbh... I already knew what I had before going to the doctors. I only needed the doctor to write the prescription.

Have you considered that your doctor might have had an actual reason to want you to get an X-ray and that maybe chatgpt is wrong? Absolutely wild to me that you distrust a human but feel like a glorified autocomplete is somehow completely trustworthy. They can both lie, but at least the human knows they are lying.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by idiotsecant » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:12 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #285

I'm way more interest robotic diagnosis than robotic treatment. It's so hard to trust dentists have your interest above their financial interest

That's what second opinions are for. Not sure how a robot helps this.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by isk517 » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:34 PM UTC

amelius wrote: post #300

Let's first perfect robotic hair cuts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYKvjzWyYzA

Hair cut actually seems like it would be more complex than dental surgery. You only have about 32 teeth, they are large, and they shouldn't move around much. Compare that to 100,000 extremely thin strands of hair in varying length moving about all willy-nilly.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by adrianmonk » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:40 PM UTC

deadbabe wrote: post #274

adrianmonk wrote: post #192

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I also want a laserwash shower that takes 60 seconds. It would save time, and I'm pretty sure it would save water too.

Why 60 seconds? You just need maybe 4 seconds of high speed mist and soap. Waste less water.

Some exfoliation is nice, but I would like to keep my skin.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by meroes » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 4:43 PM UTC

resource_waste wrote: post #336

herrherrmann wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds more like a systemic issue than a technological one. New tech will most likely only support the current system (profit over people, in your case), and not magically make things fairer or more social.

I have an example that disagrees. I had a stomach bug, and a Physician was insistent I get xrays. I put my symptoms into chatGPT, and it agreed that the xray was unnecessary. I saved hundreds of dollars, I learned my doctor was corrupt, and tbh... I already knew what I had before going to the doctors. I only needed the doctor to write the prescription.

Oh my god

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by iwontberude » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:09 PM UTC

calderwoodra wrote: post #305

herrherrmann wrote: post #287

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This sounds more like a systemic issue than a technological one. New tech will most likely only support the current system (profit over people, in your case), and not magically make things fairer or more social.

On the flip side, if you're waiting for society to change for your problem to be solved, you'll be waiting for a long time.

Doubly so if you are waiting for the Supreme Court to affirm your rights. Aside: After watching Biden win a rigged primary and be forced to resign with no vote just based on political pressure, my disillusionment with voting was complete. I’ll still do it, but just so I don’t have to lie to well intentioned people when they ask me if I did.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by SkyPuncher » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 5:44 PM UTC

throwaway2037 wrote: post #256

SkyPuncher wrote: post #126

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US supply is artificially limited. There's literally no arguing this. There are essentially a fixed number of residency spots and that's basically the only way to become a physician. > Do you think most doctors would take less hours for a somewhat lower salary if you it was possible? It is possible. Lots of doctors work fractionally. It's one of the easiest fields to do it in. Given the artificial shortage, hospitals…

> US supply is artificially limited. There's literally no arguing this. There are essentially a fixed number of residency spots and that's basically the only way to become a physician. Isn't this true in all highly developed countries?

Truthfully, I don't know.

I was under the impression that the limitation is a bit different in other countries. There is no hard, fixed limit. However, there is still practical limitations around how many institutions want to go through the accreditation process and support the education system. "Anyone" (hand waves a little bit) can start a program, as long as they meet the requirements.

In the US, it's a hard limit set by Congress. Even if you want to run a residency program, you can't.

Technically, there are ways around the hard limit, but they're extremely challenging to implement.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by slaymaker1907 » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 6:06 PM UTC

marinmania wrote: post #10

whimsicalism wrote: post #4

It’s going to become increasingly apparent in the US over time the degree to which doctors & the regulatory state are blocking us from getting cheap new care. Already ML algos are more accurate at diagnosing melanomas from an image than dermatologists - but we will never get that tech because doctors are fiercely protective of their salaries and have captured the arm of the state to help them do so.

And the lowest hanging fruit doesn't even necessarily have to do with AI or robotic tech. In the US you need a prescription within the last year to buy contact lenses. European countries do not require this. Not only does this mean contacts are more expensive and come from fewer suppliers, but demand for appointments with eye doctors would never go down, even though a test of vision could easily be done now by an aut…

Maybe for a basic eye exam, but they're also checking for things like glaucoma. Glaucoma in particular is tricky because you may not notice early on, but any damage done to your eyes before treatment is permanent.

In my experience, the cost for glasses/contacts is mostly in actually buying them anyways. Therefore, I just go get my eye exam done and then just buy them online for much cheaper than any retail store. Supposedly the cheap online glasses aren't as good, but they're good enough in my experience and then I don't feel quite so bad when I inevitably lose them somewhere.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by forgetfreeman » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 6:12 PM UTC

meroes wrote: post #345

resource_waste wrote: post #336

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I have an example that disagrees. I had a stomach bug, and a Physician was insistent I get xrays. I put my symptoms into chatGPT, and it agreed that the xray was unnecessary. I saved hundreds of dollars, I learned my doctor was corrupt, and tbh... I already knew what I had before going to the doctors. I only needed the doctor to write the prescription.

Oh my god

Yeah, it's gotten to this point. Fucking unreal.

Re: Robot dentist performs first human procedure

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Post by slaymaker1907 » Fri, Aug 02, 2024, 6:15 PM UTC

avgDev wrote: post #56

rscho wrote: post #35

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Being a doc, I can confidently tell you you are totally incorrect as to why things happen the way they do in healthcare. That won't surprise you, I guess. I long tried to make outsiders, and especially tech people, understand what our job is, but discussions always lead to the same stereotypes.

So, what is your job? I will be honest, I've had better luck with google than most doctors. I've had doctors say things which were completely incorrect. I've had doctors prescribe unnecessary and not advised meds for what they diagnosed me with(incorrectly). I have friends who are pharmacists and they agree with my opinion, and they interact with doctors daily.

I had to fight with numerous doctors to finally get treated for scabies despite having extremely severe symptoms and despite my partner at the time having scabies. My immune system was apparently good enough to keep it from being easily detected under a microscope, but lo and behold, I had complete symptom remission once the dermatologist I saw went ahead and prescribed an antiparasitic anyways.