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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ipaddr »

notjoemama wrote: post #247
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #224

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> Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer. On the contrary, the processes that anointed Hillary in 2016 and Biden round 2 in 2024 were exactly the kind of "well, it's this person's turn now" decisions that were bad, anti-democratic (lower-case d) choices previously. I'm not looking for a…

Part of it is a numbers game. She would get an incumbent bump over other potential candidates. There is hope, and I believe some data showing, she could energize the POC base. This is especially important now because polling was suggesting Trump was growing that area. Fundamentally though, name recognition ends up being meaningful in elections. I’m not advocating one way or another, just sharing why it seems to be an…

Doesn't she lose bluecolar npoc without Joe?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ipaddr »

karaterobot wrote: post #327
bushbaba wrote: post #291

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It's not obvious how he could have prevented Russia from invading Ukraine, or stopped Hamas from invading Israel. Not everything comes back to the U.S. The biggest EV manufacturers in the U.S. are Tesla and Ford, as far as I can tell. No Chinese manufacturer I'm aware of has made significant inroads.

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Post by trhway »

alex_young wrote: post #250
wilg wrote: post #238

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> But he did campaign on a single term. He did not really do this.

"Look, I view myself as a bridge, not as anything else," Biden said. "There's an entire generation of leaders you saw stand behind me. They are the future of this country." https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/09/politics/joe-biden-bridge...

Biden was a stop-gap measure as Democrats didn't risk to put any new emerging leader against Trump. I think it was a big mistake - basically "coronation" of Biden back then replaced the normal, though painful, democratic process of producing a new Democrats leader. And as a result, it seems to me that Biden like a huge tree in the forest only exacerbated the issue by not letting new leadership to grow in the last 4 years. Of course he didn't do it intentionally, he (and his entourage) just naturally sucked up all the air and nothing grew in his shadow. Now, with the "anointment" of Harris, Democrats are repeating that mistake for the 3rd time - ie. Hillary, Biden, Harris - while on the other side we have a "Viking" leader who bloody slaughtered and ate all the competitors who were in that Republican jar (compare that to "Biden campaign chair to staff: Time to elevate Kamala Harris" - leaders aren't elevated by some bureaucrats, leaders arise and elevate themselves)

(To clarify my political position, i'm pro-Democrat and think Biden wasn't a bad president, though i think he completely dropped the ball on the foreign policy - while Ukraine and Israel are more prominent, they cause multipage flamewars, so instead i'd point to Houthis where i think majority can agree with me that what Houtis do in Red Sea is just plain war crimes (intentional attacks on civilian shipping) and that should have been immediately nipped in the bud by the overwhelming US and allies' force in the region - if anything, protection of civilian shipping is one of the most legitimate major uses of the Navy, and i'd say it is a direct duty of the president to put it to such a use when the need arises)

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by harimau777 »

bushbaba wrote: post #291
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

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But it was Trump who pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal and attempted to extort Ukraine instead of deterring Russia.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by dawnerd »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

Was thinking that too and it might be a brilliant way to get the folks on the right that don't want to vote Trump but also not necessarily a dem. Also it could be a great marketing tactic to be like 'we're bringing unity back' or something to that.

And theoretically no reason it couldn't happen other than both parties definitely not being on board with it.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by woodruffw »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #318

Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ? Has it ever been done? Would it work to attract the center/swing vote, or more likely to be a negative?

> Not going to happen, but I wonder how a mixed party ticket would do. Kamala (or whoever) + Mitt Romney as VP ?

I think it would be very hard to convince the liberal-progressive base (i.e. the core of the party) of the DNC to go for this.

> Has it ever been done?

Before the 12th Amendment was passed, the VP came from the opposing party[1]. This didn't work particularly well in practice, which is why nobody remembers the 12th Amendment :-)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_Amendment_to_the_Unite...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by [deleted] »

eric_cc wrote: post #295
energy123 wrote: post #235

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The large majority of voters wanted him to step down after the debate according to every poll. This is not a decision that goes against the spirit of democracy. To the contrary, sacrificing personal power for the good of the country and the preservation of the ideal that the institution matters rather than the figurehead. It's something we've almost forgotten is possible in the modern age of personality cults and wan…

> according to every poll Polls are now substitutes for voting booths?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by xeromal »

navjack27 wrote: post #120
readthenotes1 wrote: post #29

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The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

Speaking clearly has nothing to do with mental fortitude. Tons of things can affect the fluency of speech. We really need to move past the days where we judge people's intelligence and competence based on how well the connections of their brain are able to influence the movement of the vocal cords and the tongue the lips and the jaw.

If you play a video of Biden in 2004 or 2008 debates, you'll notice something has changed.
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