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Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by imp0cat »

SoftTalker wrote: post #125
dylan604 wrote: post #91

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> Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. Another old dog refusing to learn a new trick. If you want to talk about not part of email culture, let's not forget images weren't part of the original. So people got over that. They embraced it just like they embraced HTML emails and everything else. You can stand in the middle of the stream, but it's j…

Not everyone embraced it. I still use a plain-text email client.

Emacs?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by JohnFen »

dylan604 wrote: post #340
JohnFen wrote: post #286

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I always wonder about these "you're in the minority" responses. Why is that an important point? Also, pretty much everybody on HN is "in the minority". We're a pretty narrow demographic compared to the general population.

Sometimes, in the echo chambers on the interwebs, some people might not actually realize they are the minority

Of course, but very often that's irrelevant. If someone is expressing their opinion about something, it doesn't matter at all whether or not that opinion is in the minority. It's still their opinion and as such, is as valid as any other opinion. To reply to someone expressing their opinion with "but you're in the minority" is just a way of saying "but what you think is meaningless". Which is both overly dismissive and untrue.

If someone is saying "I think this, and therefore everyone thinks this", then how common their opinion is becomes relevant.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by JohnFen »

lkramer wrote: post #167
snapcaster wrote: post #45

Can an anti-reaction person explain what they find so distasteful about them? Is it that the other person wasn't willing to make the effort to type is seen as disrespectful? struggling to see what the problem is

I am not anti reaction as such, especially when it's just a thumbs up, although I very seldom use it myself. However I really struggle with emojis as a general concept. I don't understand a lot of them, and it seems people put a lot of hidden meaning into them that I have to interpret, and I feel the cognitive load is a lot bigger than if people would just type out what the fuck they are trying to say.

I think that the issue with emojis is that they're a kind of slang. Because of that, what they mean, exactly, is very dependent on the social circle they exist in.

When my friends use emojis, I know what they mean because I know them and the in-group slang we use. When a stranger or acquaintance uses emojis, the only way to know what they're trying to say is through context clues, like with any other unfamiliar slang.

So if someone I don't know well is using emojis, I just ignore the ones whose meaning aren't obvious given the context. If I think they're trying to say something important, I'll ask outright what they meant (and then get an understanding of how they use emojis and so are better able to understand them in the future.)

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by bradboimler »

JohnFen wrote: post #52
bradboimler wrote: post #48

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You can disable read receipts and typing indicators without disabling RCS

You can? That didn't used to be the case on my phone at all. Glad to hear they changed that.

I use Google Messages. I assumed that was what you were using too. Messages settings - RCS chats - Send read receipts and Show typing indicators.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by ensignavenger »

mrguyorama wrote: post #321
ensignavenger wrote: post #294

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As an Android user, I often wonder if Apple users realize how stupid their replies look to non-Apple users. I wonder if I should tell them or just move on.

Apple doesn't care what Android users think as long as the majority of Americans continue to think iPhone's are "premium" products, are willing to spend $1k to buy a new iPhone because they don't have a slot for an SD card so that's the only way to get more space, and genuinely believe YOU are the dumb one for buying an "inferior" Android phone.

I am more concerned about Apples users than what Apple thinks. If Apple makes their users look silly, their users might start caring.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by wiktor-k »

skrebbel wrote: post #186

To be frank I quite like this idea. Can’t we standardize it somehow and add it to other email clients too? IMO the fallback, that internally it’s just a regular, human-readable email, is quite neat (though I wonder how they dealt with other languages than English - do they know which language the email is in? Is it just always English? That’d be bad). I work on a chat component library ( https://talkjs.com ) and we s…

> To be frank I quite like this idea. Can’t we standardize it somehow and add it to other email clients too?

Just copying what I said in the other thread: there actually is a standard for that already: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9078

Sadly, it seems it doesn't have broad adoption: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1724363

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by Gormo »

kazinator wrote: post #118
karaterobot wrote: post #76

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From that article: > (So if you want to opt out of Google Maps and Wi-Fi Sense at the same time, you must change your SSID of, say, myhouse to myhouse_optout_nomap. Technology is great.) I knew about the Google Maps thing, I didn't know about this. That kind of stuff is so presumptuous and user hostile it's outrageous.

Would it be better to have an op-out database, where you have to log in with a Google account, and prove that you own the device somehow using geolocation? The system has to be resistant against bad actors taking someone else off the map who chooses to opt in. It would be better if the syntax were simpler, like changing myhouse to __myhouse (double underscore == private identifier). By setting SSID a certain way, you…

> Would it be better to have an op-out database, where you have to log in with a Google account, and prove that you own the device somehow using geolocation?

Why not the same thing, but opt-in rather than opt-out?

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

Eggpants wrote: post #292
cogthrow wrote: post #20

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Old Man Yells At Cloud.jpg

Young’in needs constant positive reinforcement or they go all emo.jpg

Imagine thinking being generally sociable and polite is in any way, at all, a negative thing.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by 9dev »

nocman wrote: post #329
g15jv2dp wrote: post #199

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In case you haven't realized, you're the odd one out, today, in 2024. I don't mean this in a negative way - I just mean that you're out of what's usual.

Do you genuinely think the GP needs you to point that out to them? I can't think of a single person I know that uses a text-only email client (and yes, I know more than one of them) who isn't what you'd call a "power user". All of them know that most people don't use a plain-text email client, they just prefer to use one themselves.

Right. There’s no point for those „power users“ to talk about some obtuse email culture then, if they’re evidently not a part of that culture in the first place, but just referring to their particular pet peeve niche.

Re: Stop Microsoft users sending 'reactions' to email by adding a postfix header

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Post by 9dev »

Gormo wrote: post #337
snapcaster wrote: post #255

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I guess i fail to see how your example is different from someone responding with "K" or some other equally unhelpful non-reaction response

"K" is usually a short form of "okay", which is either an affirmative response to a yes/no question, or an acknowledgment of receiving an informmational message, depending on context. In most cases, this is a useful response. Asking a question and getting "I like your question" as the sole response is incredibly obnoxious.

Are you seriously telling me you’re interpreting a thumb up emoji as a literal I like X, instead of applying a little common sense and infer that they probably meant to say „okay“ with that?
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