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Why the hell aren't the EU and the FTC suing the shit out of them for bundling, telemetry, lock in, gouging, shitty defaults?
Because people just complain on the internet and don't report these things. The FTC works off of reported incidents. File a report: https://reportfraud.ftc.gov/
Microsoft makes it a pain, but you can still jump through some CLI hoops to use only a local user account to log in to Windows, rather than the cloud-conmected Microsoft account they try to funnel you into. Not logging into a Microsoft account prevents OneDrive from doing anything other than spamming you with notifications about how great it would be if you logged in and started using it. And you can still uninstall…
Tech companies in general seem to struggle with consent. Even when they bother to ask, they often refuse to take "no" for an answer, only offering "maybe later."
This happened to me. I was wondering why my internet speeds were slow when I discovered that Microsoft was in the process of uploading my users directory, they had already uploaded almost two gigs when I realized. They also changed the path to these directories to something like C:\Users\name\OneDrive\Desktop\. Another poster in this thread claimed it's easy to reverse -- I disagree, it's a pain in the ass to track d…
I'm imagining this happening to someone on a highly metered connection and blowing through gigs of their limited monthly upload budget before realizing their OS has just gone rogue on them. Treating everyone like they have an unlimited bandwidth budget and greedily using it without permission is just awful behavior.
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I think myself and the other dude are trying to help you see that theres no contest to be winning here
Yes, you're right, the other person had a very helpful tone indeed. My mistake.
FWIW, I don't doubt at all that you could create a local account. I have yet to move to 11 from 10 for my VM setup and want to avoid doing so as long as possible, so I've been sort of tracking the issue, as that they may remove it permanently is a slight concern and interest to me.
To me Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook they all seem by a degree or another totally out of control. They seem to be so careless of any short-long term consequence that I wonder if there is any accountability at all or if it’s just a shitshow of who does perform better and get bonuses
They’re all monopolies. We just need to formally redefine the terminology around anti trust to punish the anti competitive nature of all these tech giants
I'd like to believe that we still can found politicians, govt officials eager to work for the public interest and against wealth of the corporations, their monopolies. But it seems almost impossible considering lack of significant and damaging to the monopolies antitrust proceedings in last 20 years. I'd assume there are deals behind public eye where govts turn, well, a blind eye - perhaps getting something valuable in return.
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Which do you think is the bigger risk to ordinary users? - someone hacks into Microsoft and accesses their files from onedrive (for passwords/blackmail-info I guess?) - Microsoft looks at their files in onedrive and does something bad (not sure what) - someone hacks into their computer and accesses their files. Or someone does so by causing the user to download something bad - the user’s ssd fails or is corrupted bec…
Let's say I don't care about privacy. Still left with a software that does what I don't want it to do without asking me, and making it hard to reverse it. It's a software I paid my money for, not some kind of evil "free" product. And why do I need Candy Crush on my computer? Who knows better than me what I want my machine to do? I think the bigger risk to people comes not from the consequences of actions like this bu…
Is the complaint just that windows comes with a feature you don’t want? (Does this all come from being strongly pushed towards / requiring having a non-local account?) I think that’s a reasonable opinion to hold but it feels somewhat different from disliking candy crush being installed.
Perhaps I’m too stupid to be able to think about the abstract power-balance consequences of turning on onedrive by default, or of similar things.
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Or just use a Linux distro and avoid all M$ shit
Unfortunately the world runs on Word and Excel and unless you want the even worse Office 365 experience, you often do need some M$.
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Having external backups set up correctly is pretty good for users, and I think that would justify trying to make it more of a default. This seems pretty obvious to me, but I expect if Microsoft did surveys they would find people complaining about how terrible losing a document or disk was for them in the past. I don’t know what ‘explicitly chosen not to use it’ means, but I think you or I would probably consider such…
> I don’t know what ‘explicitly chosen not to use it’ means This is the giveaway that you aren't saying anything in good faith. > but I think you or I would probably consider such an action to be more deliberate than the average user doing that Nice appeal to our superiority or whatever you want to call it, but this is irrelevant. The "average user" is no less deserving of the choice and naturally it's up to them to…
For a new computer I think it looks something like:
1. Set up with your Microsoft account which you may need to create
2. Now, if you were already using onedrive, your files are synced from the internet. If you weren’t then the default contents (ie empty/trivial) are being synced.
I don’t really see that as the user making any explicit choice not to use onedrive and the default doesn’t seem very bad. It doesn’t feel terribly different from other defaults like windows defender or scanning for nearby WiFi networks.
But maybe there are alternatives that do feel more like the user making an explicit choice which the OS overriding that? Eg if you upgrade an existing installation or go through some ‘transfer from other computer’ process so that the directories being synced aren’t trivial. The OP didn’t mention such scenarios so I’m reading between the lines/guessing here.
Do you have some scenario where the user clicks some ‘don’t use onedrive’ button and has their choice overridden?
Once I have my (now ex) girlfriend at home, and she wanted to check her email. So she used my computer to login on Outlook and just do her thing for work. Little did I know that logging to Outlook actually added some new account on my computer (for the same windows User), and it started to sync all the stuff from my ex's workplace. Fast forward 1 month later, we broke up, and I was still seeing her stuff popping on m…