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Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by setopt »

eviks wrote: post #333
setopt wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iPhone XR was released in 2018, and I got mine in 2019. It will still be supported by iOS 18, which is being released in 2024. 5-6 years of fully functioning hardware with official OS updates is much better than the Android phones I had before it.

Being better doesn't even mean being good (6 is small), and it had no relation to the original point Also you dates are wrong, measure from the last device sale, not the first

> Being better doesn't even mean being good (6 is small)

So far, it's 6 years (2018-2024), and probably it'll end at 7 years (assuming they drop its support next summer). That's the same number of years as Google and Samsung are currently supporting their flagship models, and it's many years more than e.g. my previous (unrootable) Huawei phone was supported. Compared to the competition, I'd say that number is good.

If we want to push up that number across all players in the market, then we need legislation as a forcing function. I'm all for that – especially legislation that would require manufacturers to allow easy rooting/jailbreaking when the official support ends so that third parties can provide unofficial support. (Like how you can install Linux on old MacBooks when they're not supported.)

> and it had no relation to the original point

I'm not sure how you interpreted the "iOS obsolescence program" then.

> Also you dates are wrong, measure from the last device sale, not the first

It's not wrong, it's a different measure.

If you choose to buy a 3 year old phone, you know that it will be officially supported for 3 less years, and should factor that into your (price)/(lifetime) calculation. I choose to only buy new electronics models (not necessarily the flagship) so that I can replace them less often, and then my measure is the relevant one.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by Solstinox »

karmakaze wrote: post #151
wwalexander wrote: post #2

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

I never really understood the appeal of tiling window managers. I've gotten used to having overlapping windows with appropriate parts peek out out behind others. e.g. tail of a log behind an editor running a program, and I can bring it to the foreground to see older lines and/or scroll. To do the same with a tiling manager, I would zoom the logging pane. I suppose I just prefer less layout changes. Same for Slack, I…

Agreed. Messy overlap + an app called HazeOver where you can dim apps out of focus is the best approach to this.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by steve1977 »

sircastor wrote: post #177

The commentary stream I was watching described it as "An whole lot of Sherlocking going on": Passwords app, Window Snapping, iPhone to mac Display mirroring. It feels especially tone deaf that they're doing it at their developer conference If you're unfamiliar with the term, "Sherlocking" is the act of Apple introducing some 3rd-party's App features as a core component of the operating system, essentially obviating t…

To be precise, Sherlock was first and Watson came later (hence the name). However, Sherlock 3 then seemingly took quite a bit of inspiration from Watson in terms of features.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by bitsoda »

thiht wrote: post #124
wwalexander wrote: post #2

I never thought I’d see the day macOS would get tiling window management. Wonder how it will interact with Stage Manager if at all.

FINALLY! I really didn’t it to come to Mac, ever. Now so just need a clipboard history manager, a way to make cmd+tab behave like Windows alt+tab, a way to mute the mic in the status bar, and a different setting for the trackpad/mouse wheel direction, and I won’t need to install random apps for basic features anymore.

Nailed it. It's honestly criminal and something I consider UX terrorism the way macOS lacks this basic functionality when even something like ChromeOS ships these by default. Wonderful hardware, but boy is the OS rough 20+ years later.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by inickt »

drewg123 wrote: post #52
minimaxir wrote: post #3

The iPhone Mirroring was the most interesting announcement (and I don't think was leaked). I suspect it will only be useful for emergencies as latency will be terrible, though.

I'd like to use it for watching Netflix/Hulu/etc on a plane on a larger screen than my phone without being forced to carry an iPad. I really wish Apple would just force companies to enable their iPhone/iPad apps on Apple Silicon. But if I could display a video from my phone onto my 15" laptop screen, that would be a nearly as nice.

You can already AirPlay from an iOS device to a Mac– doing this on a plane is a bit trickier because of the networking setup though. I think I have managed to successfully do it once by either 1. doing some sort of tethering/creating a local wifi network on my Mac 2. connecting both devices to the in flight wifi

I use AirPlay to my Mac (and external monitors) even at home since I can watch the 4K feed from apps, which isn't available for some services if you use the web browser (cough HBO cough),

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by eviks »

setopt wrote: post #341
eviks wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being better doesn't even mean being good (6 is small), and it had no relation to the original point Also you dates are wrong, measure from the last device sale, not the first

> Being better doesn't even mean being good (6 is small) So far, it's 6 years (2018-2024), and probably it'll end at 7 years (assuming they drop its support next summer). That's the same number of years as Google and Samsung are currently supporting their flagship models, and it's many years more than e.g. my previous (unrootable) Huawei phone was supported. Compared to the competition, I'd say that number is good. I…

> choose to buy a 3 year old phone, you know that it will be officially supported for 3 less years, and should factor that into your (price)/(lifetime) calculation. I

You don't know that since neither the period is known nor is its starting date. Also that's your own expectation, I don't buy that later customers should suffer more

> I'm not sure how you interpreted the "iOS obsolescence program" then

I interpret it as force-obsoleting well functioning devices via software limits. This interpretation does not depend on what Huawei is doing (by the way, another mistake in your comparison is that Apple sells premium devices and also has full control of both the software and hardware, which make it relatively easier to do better)

you don't need any legislation to stop justifying it with faulty comparisons

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by int_19h »

astrange wrote: post #209
sunshowers wrote: post #119

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Not GP, but macOS doesn't have fractional scaling, which means that running at non-integer scales is inefficient. For example: A 3840x2160 monitor run at 1x means a framebuffer of 3840x2160. At 2x, the effective resolution is 1920x1080, and this also uses a framebuffer of 3840x2160. At 1.5x, the effective resolution is 2560x1440. This is implemented by rendering at 4x (5160x2880) and then downscaling that. At 1.25x,…

Non-integer scaling is essentially impossible to do well unless you give up and turn all your UI design into web pages. Otherwise you get pixel cracks and other issues from finding all the places things are/aren't rounded properly. The laptop displays work by scaling down 2x/3x too.

Windows does it just fine.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by int_19h »

setopt wrote: post #278
hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #178

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Apple is now imposing the same iOS obsolescence program to MacBook/iMac. That’s how you make easy money nowadays.

iPhone XR was released in 2018, and I got mine in 2019. It will still be supported by iOS 18, which is being released in 2024. 5-6 years of fully functioning hardware with official OS updates is much better than the Android phones I had before it.

One crucial difference is that with Android, lots of people are using those old phones with ancient Android versions, and so software tends to target them. So even if the phone no longer receives updates, the software on top can be up-to-date.

In the Apple ecosystem, app developers are much more aggressive about dropping support for older versions of iOS.

Re: macOS Sequoia Preview

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Post by jimbobthrowawy »

chdefrene wrote: post #199
Kina wrote: post #194

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FWIW, I found LocalSend ( https://localsend.org/ ) to be quite handy especially since it is a cross-platform solution.

There's also https://snapdrop.net which works in the browser

Snapdrop is fantastic. I have an app version installed on my android device so it'll appear in the share menu.
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