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Post by lossolo »

msoad wrote: post #58

They are admitting[1] that the new model is the gpt2-chatbot that we have seen before[2]. As many highlighted there, the model is not an improvement like GPT3->GPT4. I tested a bunch of programming stuff and it was not that much better. It's interesting that OpenAI is highlighting the Elo score instead of showing results for many many benchmarks that all models are stuck at 50-70% success. [1] https://twitter.com/Lia…

I agree. I tried a few programming problems that, let's say, seem to be out of the distribution of their training data and which GPT4 failed to solve before. The model couldn't find a similar pattern and failed to solve them again. What's interesting is that one of these problems were solved by Opus, which seems to indicate that the majority of progress in the last months should be attributed to the quality/source of the training data.

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Post by localfirst »

50% cheaper than ChatGPT-4 Turbo...

But this falls short of the ChatGPT-5 we were promised last year

edit: ~~just tested it out and seems closer to Gemini 1.5 ~~ and it is faster than turbo....

edit: its basically chat gpt 3.9. not quite 4 definitely not 3.5. just not sure if the prices make sense.

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Post by ChuckMcM »

cube2222 wrote: post #154
msoad wrote: post #58

They are admitting[1] that the new model is the gpt2-chatbot that we have seen before[2]. As many highlighted there, the model is not an improvement like GPT3->GPT4. I tested a bunch of programming stuff and it was not that much better. It's interesting that OpenAI is highlighting the Elo score instead of showing results for many many benchmarks that all models are stuck at 50-70% success. [1] https://twitter.com/Lia…

I think the live demo that happened on the livestream is best to get a feel for this model[0]. I don't really care whether it's stronger than gpt-4-turbo or not. The direct real-time video and audio capabilities are absolutely magical and stunning . The responses in voice mode are now instantaneous, you can interrupt the model, you can talk to it while showing it a video, and it understands (and uses) intonation and…

I expect the really solid use case here will be voice interfaces to applications that don't suck. Something I am still surprised at is that vendors like Apple have yet to allow me to train the voice to text model so that it only responds to me and not someone else.

So local modelling (completely offline but per speaker aware and responsive), with a really flexible application API. Sort of the GTK or QT equivalent for voice interactions. Also custom naming, so instead of "Hey Siri" or "Hey Google" I could say, "Hey idiot" :-)

Definitely some interesting tech here.

Re: GPT-4o

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Post by golol »

MP_1729 wrote: post #105

This thing continues to stress my skepticism for AI scaling laws and the broad AI semiconductor capex spending. 1- OpenAI is still working in GPT-4-level models. More than 14 months after the launch of GPT-4 and after more than $10B in capital raised. 2- The rhythm that token prices are collapsing is bizarre. Now a (bit) better model for 50% of the price. How people seriously expect these foundational model companies…

GPT-2: February 2019

GPT-3: June 2020

GPT-3.5: November 2022

GPT-4: March 2023

There were 3 years between GPT-3 and GPT-4!

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Post by Melatonic »

cs702 wrote: post #115

The usual critics will quickly point out that LLMs like GPT-4o still have a lot of failure modes and suffer from issues that remain unresolved. They will point out that we're reaping diminishing returns from Transformers. They will question the absence of a "GPT-5" model. And so on -- blah, blah, blah, stochastic parrots, blah, blah, blah. Ignore the critics. Watch the demos. Play with it. This stuff feels magical .…

HAL's voice acting I would say is actually superb and super subtly very much not unemotional. Part of what makes so unnerving. They perfect nailed creepy uncanny valley

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Post by nuz »

Yet another release right before google releases something. This time right before Google IO. Third time they've done this by my count.

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Post by glenstein »

tgtweak wrote: post #305

I feel like gpt4 has gotten progressively less useful since release even, despite all the "updates" and training. It seems to give correct but vague answers (political even) more and more instead of actual results. It also tends to run short and give brief replies vs full length replies. I hope this isn't an artifact from optimization for scores and not actual function. Likewise it would be disheartening but not unhe…

May I ask what you know about chat GPT5 being based on a new underlying model?

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Post by localfirst »

cchance wrote: post #310

HOW ARE PEOPLE NOT MORE EXCITED, hes cutting off the AI mid sentence in these and its pausing to readjust in damn near realtime latency! WTF Thats a MAJOR step forward, what the hell is gpt5 going to look like. That realtime translation would be amazing as an option in say Skype or Teams, set each individuals native language and handle automated translation, shit tie it into ElevenLabs to replicate your voice as well…

calm down there is barely any ground breaking stuff, this is basically chatgpt 3.9 but far more expensive than 3.5

looks like another stunt from OAI in anticipation of Google IO tomorrow

Gemini 2.0 will be the closest we get to ChatGPT-5

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Post by nestorD »

The press statement has consistent image generation and other image manipulation (depicting the same character in different poses, taking a photo and generating a caricature of the person, etc) that does not seem deployed to the chat interface.

Will they be deployed? They would make the OpenAI image model significantly more useful than the competition.

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