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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by chongli »

immibis wrote: post #337
chongli wrote: post #301

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It's the UI. It is designed from the ground up for touch. People who like iPadOS do not like Windows Surface tablets for that exact reason. A desktop UI that's been shoehorned into a tablet is not as good as a purpose-built touch UI.

The two tablet genders: iPad, and Windows Surface. It's a shame no other giant tech company ever created one that has exactly the combination of attributes you asked for.

If you’re referring to Android, the answer is no. Android is a mobile OS. It does not run Mac or Windows desktop apps.

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Post by asadotzler »

freeopinion wrote: post #300
cromka wrote: post #206

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It’s a screen. Add a regular Bluetooth keyboard mouse and you have a PC. There’s no compromise here from hardware perspective, it’s just software that’s in the way.

Remember the size of the original iPhone? I have long wondered why nobody makes a universal compute brick in such a form factor without a screen. Then sell 5" or 7" or 10" or 27" screens with and without touch that connect to the little brick. I can buy a 15" screen right now for under $75. It's the ultimate super-thin laptop if you remove the compute and keep the brick in your purse/backpack/holster. For extra point…

Thermals is why. Closest we get is Mac Mini and NUC.

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Post by nehal3m »

trogdor wrote: post #328
nehal3m wrote: post #272

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I also have a cellular Watch. Combined with some AirPods it works great if all you need is phonecalls which is a good use case if you want to be available without a time sucking little monster in your pocket.

I think their point was that you have to pair Apple Watch with an iPhone in order to use cellular, and they wish you could use cellular Apple Watch without having to own an iPhone.

Yeah you're right, that's fair. I think any up to date iPhone will do though, so if you want to go this route you could buy the cheapest one you can find (hell, the screen could be smashed, who cares?), do the configuration and then toss your phone into a drawer.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by Rinzler89 »

skydhash wrote: post #336
Rinzler89 wrote: post #280

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>doing nothing most of the time is how those devices last day long on a battery But It will run down the battery only for me, not for you. Why do you care about how I want use my battery life? You don't have to do what I do, with your own phone. You can just keep using like a regular phone if that's all you want. Me having more freedom with my own device, does not reduce your freedoms you have with your own device. I…

> You can just keep using like a regular phone if that's all you want. Me having more freedom with my own device, does not reduce your freedoms you have with your own device. I was just pointing at an aspect of how these devices are engineered. In fact, I jailbroke my first iPhone and spent years running with a rooted and modded Android device. So, be my guest... > Otherwise what's the point of all that technological…

>I was just pointing at an aspect of how these devices are engineered.

And you pointed at the wrong thing. Apple isn't preventing you from running VMs on their M* iPhones to stop you from draining your battery too fast. Come on, don't act this naive.

>Showing that ARM is a viable computation platform?

If their motives were that charitable, and cared so much about the ARM platform, they would open up their M* platform to others to run whatever OS they want on it and provide OSS drivers, no keep it as locked as possible.

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Post by tvshtr »

latexr wrote: post #276
dainiusse wrote: post #123

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Yep, I've got one and don't use too much. Too big for scrolling, too limited (software) for work. But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose

> But Apple knows iPad might cannibalize mac and limit it's uses on purpose Apple isn’t afraid to cannibalise its own products. They did exactly that with the iPhone in regard to the iPod. If someone is going to displace one of your most successful products, it better be yourself with something even more outstanding. It would have been in Apple’s best (financial) interest to have the iPad cannibalise the Mac because…

This is nowhere close to being analogous. Apple could sacrifice iPod because they had much bigger fish to fry.

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Post by dang »

thebruce87m wrote: post #115
rezonant wrote: post #77

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Complaining about downvoting is bad form. If you are temporarily downvoted on a post and react by editing it to complain, that's a surefire way for that post to remain negative on its point balance.

I’m not scared by downvotes. I called out bad form as I interpreted it, just as you are you are doing now. Posting facts in HN should not warrant downvotes. Neither should reasonable discussions.

You posted 10 comments about this. That's way too much, and the site guidelines specifically ask people not to comment about downvotes because "it never does any good and makes boring reading": https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

You're quite right, of course, that people vote with feelings and ignore facts, but you're wrong about that being specific to Apple. It's true of everything, and therefore it is not interesting (although it certainly is annoying). We want HN threads to be for interesting conversation.

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Post by itake »

rcarmo wrote: post #330
fingerlocks wrote: post #282

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Presumably you work in tech. Every employer I’ve ever had will reimburse my personal dev account fee as an educational expense. Have you tried asking?

I work at Microsoft. Next question :)

Apple (and other tech companies) offer free versions of products to students, but they don't require you be a full time student. I take a class once a year in a topic that I am interested in, which qualifies me for these free programs. Classes can be as cheap as $25 if you're in WA.

https://atlc.apple.com/downloads/AppleDeveloperProgram_FeeWa...

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Post by m463 »

anileated wrote: post #80

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since…

Come on, the pc has allowed "sideloading" since its inception maybe 40 years ago.

On the pc, you could create applications entirely out of the control of microsoft (formerly ibm) and the world was better for it.

When ios came out with the app store, apple immediately prevented large swaths of useful applications from seeing the light of day. The debacle with privacy would be of less consequence if Little Snitch had been ported from macos to ios.

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Post by robertlagrant »

talldayo wrote: post #326
shuckles wrote: post #309

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The Play Store has similar fees for IAP and sales as Apple. When people complain about Apple charging developers, it’s not about the $100 annual cost of the developer program.

They aren't complaining about the 30% either; they simply want a way to compete with what the App Store charges for. Android provides that, iOS does not.

There are people who complain about the 30% as well. As soon as the Microsoft Store was fully dead, Microsoft started saying that 30% for a store was too high.
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