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How to Start Google

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Re: How to Start Google

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I couldnt finish reading the essay because I was distracted by the generally smug tone of it. 99.99% of people who read this article are not going to start the next Google. Being a successful entrepreneur requires an incredible amount of luck, timing, skill, and risk taking. If you choose that path, great, but that in no way devalues the skill building, network building, and predictable income of working for someone…

The tone isn’t smug. pg simplified his language for a teenage audience. Simple arguments made simply can come across as smug because they lack caveats and polite hedging, but I don’t think the accusation of smugness sticks in this case. I also disagree about the incredible qualities entrepreneurs need and hardships they have to endure. Many incredible businesses are just good product + good distribution. Many kids th…

It's a little easier if you are a PhD study at Stanford, or, in pg's case, friends with a famous genius at MIT.

Starting is trivial. Succeeding is in fact practically impossible.

Re: How to Start Google

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Usually by the time VCs have the power to fire you, you have so many different investors that they cannot really do it without some massively difficult political manouvering, at least in software.

Someone better tell that to Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, Sean Parker, and Jack Dorsey.

Tell me more about poor billionaires who suffered the cruel fate of losing their jobs.

Every one of those people was incredibly successful before and after getting fired.

Re: How to Start Google

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It's like all the successful rappers who go on about how "I wanted to be a rapper when I was a teenager, and my guidance counsellor told me it's not realistic, and that I should settle down with a safe, normal job. Now look where I am!" Your guidance counsellor told hundreds of kids the same thing, and it was good advice for basically all of them. For every guy who made it rich with some crazy risky stock trade, ther…

We're all already dead in geologic time. Why not shoot for the stars? There's a big difference between a casino and actively throwing yourself at problem gradients, learning, adapting.

By the same nihilistic reasoning, why not aim for the path of least resistance?

(I would not even be surprised if some of the survivors did precisely that -- copy behavior of their successful parents, or try to prove their worth in terms of money, lacking other means to receive confirmation.)

Re: How to Start Google

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If you reduce it to a very certain first principle that can be applied similarly today, at Google they made electronics do what other people weren't doing so well, ideally things that had never been done before.

Same thing as Packard & Hewlett when they got the ball rolling . . .

Worked for Edison too, he really got in on the ground floor when it comes to electrons.

Re: How to Start Google

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His dad wasn't "just" a computer scientist, he was a professor for computer science and artificial intelligence at Michigan State. Sergey Brin's father was equally a professor in mathematics at the University of Maryland. > It's obvious in retrospect that this was a great idea for a startup. It wasn't obvious at the time. It may not have been obvious, but the decision was damn well near as engineered with data as it…

> Their success story is imo one of the most blatant examples on how privilege really does give you a boost in life. I am not arguing that anyone could have done it, but I do wonder how the world would look like if we were all kids of academics with a successful career, with a relatively safe, secure and stable childhood home and a family background that really incentivizes learning and academic success over succumbi…

It was on HN, this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39746742

Re: How to Start Google

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lol why do so many people here have such a loser/average mindset, you can literally achieve anything, literally anything, just because you don’t want to work hard, you don’t gotta be so discouraging to other people, well I guess people who wanna achieve great things probably don’t care about the stupid lazy people, so it’s whatever But the fact is you can literally do anything, you just gotta give it your all…

because most people have something called life experience or come from a culture not brainwashed by the american dream. of course YOU can do anything, but whether you are successful with that or not is up to a million factors you cannot control, no matter how much of your all you give. go to a casino, throw your life savings on one number. if you win, tell everyone how you gave it all and you manifested it by pure wi…

The belief that luck is the dominant factor in success is false and harmful to the extent that it keeps people from trying. I mean trying for real as opposed to giving up after a bunch of setbacks.

Re: How to Start Google

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Hopefully 2 Stanford CS PhD students hacking on their project would be funded by YC today :) You bring up a good point about starting from the tech rather than the problem. Usually the advice from VCs is to start from the problem and iterate on the tech until you solve it. What was very fortunate for Google is that the tech translated into a great business problem. Open up any CS textbook and 'Search' is always a maj…

> Hopefully 2 Stanford CS PhD students hacking on their project would be funded by YC today :) Around the dawn of YC, IIRC, when PG did the "summer founders" or something like that, a group of 4 of us Lisp hackers applied as a team. No response. We were mostly in grad student-like lifestyle modes, and not tied down, were energetic, and already had various applicable experience. But I think PG was mostly looking for b…

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Yes, but the VCs trust you to a large extent and they can't delve into the nitty-gritty of daily operations. If they do they will develop a bad reputation. Your boss's job is to oversee the minutiae of your day-to-day activities. Like in most workplaces, you can't choose to just chill for a few days, work only at night, or choose to avoid meetings for a few days, etc. You will have a level autonomy and the ability to…

A good manager is going to trust you to a large extent and not delve into the nitty-gritty of daily operations. With typical reporting loads in knowledge industries, they can’t - a manager with 10 reports realistically has 1-2 hours/week to spend on their projects once all the team overhead is taken care of. My reports absolutely can chill for a couple days, work only at night, or skip meetings. My job is to get them…

But what a report can't do is change the direction of a company or org leadership that is making bad decisions that lead to impossible demands governed by politics as ultra short-termism. Having the freedom to fail any way I want, but not be empowered to succeed, is a uniquely "employee" problem.

Re: How to Start Google

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> "But you will avoid many of the annoying things that come with a job, including a boss telling you what to do." Isn't this a bit misleading and can only be true for companies that don't take VC money or never go public (ex: Basecamp/37 Signals)? For VC funded or public companies, ultimately you'd have to be responsible to answer to your shareholders.

> "But you will avoid many of the annoying things that come with a job, including a boss telling you what to do." Yeah but that boss is paying you mid 6 figs or even 7, plus comp and other stuff, then maybe it's not so bad. Why else are these tech companies inundated with so many job applications if having a boss is supposed to be so bad. I think this guy is still stuck in a '90s or early 2000s 'Dilbert' mindset when…

Getting mid 6 to 7 figures as a employee is almost exactly as hard as founding a successful startup.

The vast majority of employees at the largest, most successful companies, do not earn that much.

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